How Much Pee in Pan Will Prompt Museum Intervention?

by Art Fag City on March 1, 2010 · 164 comments

POST BY PADDY JOHNSON

(Photo by Peter Cramer) Image via: Gothamist. Please note the video of Morty Diamond originally posted here was removed by Andres Bedoya at the request of the artist.

Why did P.S.1 Contemporary Art Center cut the power on the Brooklyn is Burning event this Saturday? Organized by Andres Bedoya and Sarvia Jasso as part of the Saturday Sessions program, the function went awry when artist Ann Liv Young began her performance by criticizing that which immediately preceded her own. Said piece was executed by Georgia Sagri, who played the role of “Jane”, a woman claiming Sagri was unable to make the event but that she, Jane, had an important (never announced) announcement to make.

What follows is a recount of the event offered by an AFC tipster.

Ann Liv Young asked the audience what they thought about it and what it meant, direction some questions at the performers themselves. Lead performer, Georgia Sagri, was visibly annoyed. Young at one point stripped down, and was lying on the floor in front of Sagri and masturbating. Sagri left the room, and later came back, yelling and giving Young the finger. Young was unperturbed, and continued her performance. Shortly thereafter PS 1 cut the power to the room and the performer had no working microphone and the lights went out.

No announcement of any kind was ever made to the audience. Young’s performance ended with her carrying around pan of her own urine. She tripped and fell, spilling some of it. The rest she poured over herself and the performance was over.

Lights and sound were still out when final performer Morty Diamond was supposed to go on. Diamond’s performance was about being transgender, and involved a naked Diamond walking back and forth over white paper on the floor, making statements followed by the audience response “yes!” Diamond needed music and the lights and power came back on briefly, but then went out again. Again, no announcement of any kind was made. Audiences tried to use their cell phones to illuminate Diamond.

There was booing and audience disapproval for PS1′s censorious actions.

Diamond persevered and the show ended at 6pm as security ushered audience members out, since the museum was closing.

PS1 Director Klaus Bisenbach was asked by someone why he cut the power. His only response was to ask “Who are you?”

A couple of things based on this account:

Thing #1. I can only assume a warning was posted at PS 1 alerting audiences to the fact that the work might not be suitable for children. It certainly was not.

Thing #2. Based on everything I’ve seen, there’s a good chance the performances were awful and at least in one instance crossed a few lines. Even if you go by the name “Demon Master”, as Ann Liv Young‘s website clearly indicates, it’s not particularly surprising to see a museum react unfavorably to harassment in the form of masturbation. That said, this is not the first time Ann Liv Young executed her urine performance. If PS 1 doesn’t support art work that involves spilled pee and getting a rise out of people, it probably wasn’t a good idea to invite Brooklyn is Burning. This distinguishes the case from stunts by artists such as Alexander Brener, who interrupted a panel on curating at the ICA in London, by shitting in his hand and offering it to panelists.

The performance better resembles a 1995 piece by Gordon Isnor at Mount Allison University’s Owens Art Gallery, in which the artist played a small tune, before introducing two partners, who shed their clothes and attempted to have sex. Although Isnor displayed no aggression towards fellow performers, he did not speak with the museum or curators about the content of his piece prior to its execution.

Thing #3. PS 1 has a fairly recent history of urine performance art. Around 2003, Wayne Hodge commanded performance artist Clifford Owens to drink his own urine in a piece in which Owens followed the commands of anyone who visited his space. Apparently the two are still friends.

Thing #4. Andres Bedoya has put a statement up on the Brooklyn Is Burning website. UPDATE: This statement does not reflect the opinions of all the participating artists or each curator.

Brooklyn Is Burning is an event that promotes artistic expression without restraint or limits. It is an event that encourages collectivity and the building of an artistic community.

PS1 acted alone in it's attempt to shut down the event and censor an artist. We reject censorship in any form and disagree with PS1's actions.

Despite the lack of power, the curators of Brooklyn Is Burning insisted that the event continue in total darkness. The full program of the event was presented from beginning to end.

RELATED: A first hand account from Bee Sting Brose.

UPDATE: From Kathryn Garcia, a participating artist in the video portion of the program:

I’d like to say on the record that Ann Liv Young’s performance was aggressively directed at Georgia Sagri in a way in which I perceived it as act of empty violence. This may be the nature of her performative “character” but in the moment it felt like a personal attack. She was unrelenting, berating Georgia and her performance. I completely stand by Georgia’s reaction, and I feel that I have to say this in her defense.

Ann Liv’s since talked about it and explained that it was just a character…She’s spoken to Sarvia about it, and I get it, but in the moment I don’t think it could have precipitated any other response from Georgia. I think that needs to be mentioned in Georgia’s defense somehow.

UPDATE FROM THE RUMOR MILL: Marina Abramowicz’s book signing occurred simultaneously at PS 1. Word of mouth has it Bisenbach didn’t want Young’s antics disrupting it, hence the power outage. If that’s the case, it’s no small irony.

STATEMENT FROM P.S. 1:

The decision by the Director of PS1 to curtail the performances near the end of Saturday Sessions was made to safeguard the audience, performers, and PS1 staff from an escalating and potentially volatile situation. The performers’ actions were not previously discussed with or planned by PS1.

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  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • onomato

    Who are you people? Last I checked performaces are on stages. If you have trouble sseing the boundary, that;s good thats art. We need more street theater and less well heeled sacred circle bullshit.

  • onomato

    Who are you people? Last I checked performaces are on stages. If you have trouble sseing the boundary, that;s good thats art. We need more street theater and less well heeled sacred circle bullshit.

  • onomato

    Who are you people? Last I checked performaces are on stages. If you have trouble sseing the boundary, that;s good thats art. We need more street theater and less well heeled sacred circle bullshit.

  • alex morrison

    @ Art Fag City
    I arrived in 1997 and only heard about the notorious performance. EVD, CB, GI and SE were up to some crazy stuff in those days…

  • alex morrison

    @ Art Fag City
    I arrived in 1997 and only heard about the notorious performance. EVD, CB, GI and SE were up to some crazy stuff in those days…

  • Broken Glass

    PS1 did post a notice by the doors that the show was not appropriate for children. But is this really necessary? Do you ask museums to do this for paintings and sculpture? But this is a digression.

    The safety issue is a red herring. If safety were the real issue why was there no announcement of any kind from PS1 AT THE TIME THEY CUT THE POWER?

    Even if Young was being provocative toward Georgia, why does Georgia even care? Her performance was over, and she knows how well or how badly it went. Did she not recognize Young’s gambit? Georgia played right into it. Her anger and aggression did not really look good, or serve her well. She was the one who got violent. Young was contained in her physical presence, and never violated Georgia’s space, even if she planted herself in front of Georgia & company while masturbating.

    The abuse of power that occurred was PS1′s, not Young’s. Georgia should think about that.

    (And I liked Georgia’s performance!)

  • Broken Glass

    PS1 did post a notice by the doors that the show was not appropriate for children. But is this really necessary? Do you ask museums to do this for paintings and sculpture? But this is a digression.

    The safety issue is a red herring. If safety were the real issue why was there no announcement of any kind from PS1 AT THE TIME THEY CUT THE POWER?

    Even if Young was being provocative toward Georgia, why does Georgia even care? Her performance was over, and she knows how well or how badly it went. Did she not recognize Young’s gambit? Georgia played right into it. Her anger and aggression did not really look good, or serve her well. She was the one who got violent. Young was contained in her physical presence, and never violated Georgia’s space, even if she planted herself in front of Georgia & company while masturbating.

    The abuse of power that occurred was PS1′s, not Young’s. Georgia should think about that.

    (And I liked Georgia’s performance!)

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • http://www.youtube.com/rayroy3 Ray Roy

    I think any intelligent person would understand what they are seeing is in the context of a performance is not “real”. Also, I went to a ska show with my younger brother, and my brother’s friend, Nate, was yelling at the band “you suck”. Even though that band had plenty of other people happy to be there, skanking to the music, the lead singer broke down into a hysteria, screaming back at Nate “WE DONT SUCK, WE DONT SUCK”. It was a horrible train wreck of an ordeal, and the lead singer of the shitty ska band had only made the situation much worse for himself.

  • http://www.youtube.com/rayroy3 Ray Roy

    I think any intelligent person would understand what they are seeing is in the context of a performance is not “real”. Also, I went to a ska show with my younger brother, and my brother’s friend, Nate, was yelling at the band “you suck”. Even though that band had plenty of other people happy to be there, skanking to the music, the lead singer broke down into a hysteria, screaming back at Nate “WE DONT SUCK, WE DONT SUCK”. It was a horrible train wreck of an ordeal, and the lead singer of the shitty ska band had only made the situation much worse for himself.

  • http://www.youtube.com/rayroy3 Ray Roy

    I think any intelligent person would understand what they are seeing is in the context of a performance is not “real”. Also, I went to a ska show with my younger brother, and my brother’s friend, Nate, was yelling at the band “you suck”. Even though that band had plenty of other people happy to be there, skanking to the music, the lead singer broke down into a hysteria, screaming back at Nate “WE DONT SUCK, WE DONT SUCK”. It was a horrible train wreck of an ordeal, and the lead singer of the shitty ska band had only made the situation much worse for himself.

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • jazmin
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  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • Claudia

    No one would have noticed if she hadn’t pee’d in a pan. Ahhh – guerilla marketing for performance art at PS1.

  • Claudia

    No one would have noticed if she hadn’t pee’d in a pan. Ahhh – guerilla marketing for performance art at PS1.

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