Comments on: Digital Technology is Not the End of Artistic Trends http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/ New York art news and reviews. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-209057 Art Fag City Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:49:11 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-209057 This is a good point. I will note though, that although DIY culture extends far beyond the web, we're really talking digital culture and web aesthetics here. I suggest reading the article I linked to before continuing, as it adds something to the debate. This is a good point. I will note though, that although DIY culture extends far beyond the web, we’re really talking digital culture and web aesthetics here. I suggest reading the article I linked to before continuing, as it adds something to the debate.

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-318137 Art Fag City Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:49:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-318137 This is a good point. I will note though, that although DIY culture extends far beyond the web, we're really talking digital culture and web aesthetics here. I suggest reading the article I linked to before continuing, as it adds something to the debate. This is a good point. I will note though, that although DIY culture extends far beyond the web, we’re really talking digital culture and web aesthetics here. I suggest reading the article I linked to before continuing, as it adds something to the debate.

]]> By: Franklinhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-209055 Franklin Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:33:45 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-209055 Conceptual art can trace its lineage back to a handful of prototypes and disparate examples still represent a common culture. The stylistic variation in DIY is a different sort of thing. Clearly <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=steampunk+case+mod" rel="nofollow">these people</a> and <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=zines" rel="nofollow">these people</a> are not pulling from the same sources, or even thinking about each other. This is an interesting conversation, but the bed beckons. Good night. Conceptual art can trace its lineage back to a handful of prototypes and disparate examples still represent a common culture. The stylistic variation in DIY is a different sort of thing. Clearly these people and these people are not pulling from the same sources, or even thinking about each other. This is an interesting conversation, but the bed beckons. Good night.

]]> By: Franklinhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-318136 Franklin Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:33:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-318136 Conceptual art can trace its lineage back to a handful of prototypes and disparate examples still represent a common culture. The stylistic variation in DIY is a different sort of thing. Clearly <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=steampunk+case+mod" rel="nofollow">these people</a> and <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=zines" rel="nofollow">these people</a> are not pulling from the same sources, or even thinking about each other. This is an interesting conversation, but the bed beckons. Good night. Conceptual art can trace its lineage back to a handful of prototypes and disparate examples still represent a common culture. The stylistic variation in DIY is a different sort of thing. Clearly these people and these people are not pulling from the same sources, or even thinking about each other. This is an interesting conversation, but the bed beckons. Good night.

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-209053 Art Fag City Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:27:02 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-209053 I'll be honest - I'm not sure about the Add-art thing now. I think the artistic impetus is important to contextualizing the software, but I'm wondering to what extent. Read the Lialina essay though. It answers a lot of your questions. I’ll be honest – I’m not sure about the Add-art thing now. I think the artistic impetus is important to contextualizing the software, but I’m wondering to what extent. Read the Lialina essay though. It answers a lot of your questions.

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-318135 Art Fag City Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:27:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-318135 I'll be honest - I'm not sure about the Add-art thing now. I think the artistic impetus is important to contextualizing the software, but I'm wondering to what extent. Read the Lialina essay though. It answers a lot of your questions. I’ll be honest – I’m not sure about the Add-art thing now. I think the artistic impetus is important to contextualizing the software, but I’m wondering to what extent. Read the Lialina essay though. It answers a lot of your questions.

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-209044 Art Fag City Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:41:58 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-209044 I'm not sure what you're trying to prove at 10:15 pm (why is the time stamp on this conversation relevant)? I wasn't using conceptual art as a movement that came after rap -- it's simply an established genre of art making with a shifting form. I think the same can be said of the DIY movement. You have a point with ADD-art, but as I mentioned earlier, I make a distinction here, because it was developed with artistic impetus not as a for profit venture. Finally, The identifiable style I'm discussing has been written about extensively by net scholar Olia Lialina. Her essay needs an update -- it was written two years ago -- but it makes the point pretty clearly I think. Her new book is coming to me in the mail shortly.http://www.contemporary-home-computing.org/vernacular-web-2/In any event - you're right, most of this stuff is crap -- but that's the same with anything. We're really only looking for the 2% that's worth remembering, and like everything else, we have to look very hard to find it. I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove at 10:15 pm (why is the time stamp on this conversation relevant)? I wasn’t using conceptual art as a movement that came after rap — it’s simply an established genre of art making with a shifting form. I think the same can be said of the DIY movement. You have a point with ADD-art, but as I mentioned earlier, I make a distinction here, because it was developed with artistic impetus not as a for profit venture. Finally, The identifiable style I’m discussing has been written about extensively by net scholar Olia Lialina. Her essay needs an update — it was written two years ago — but it makes the point pretty clearly I think. Her new book is coming to me in the mail shortly.

http://www.contemporary-home-computing.org/vernacular-web-2/

In any event – you’re right, most of this stuff is crap — but that’s the same with anything. We’re really only looking for the 2% that’s worth remembering, and like everything else, we have to look very hard to find it.

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-318134 Art Fag City Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:41:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-318134 I'm not sure what you're trying to prove at 10:15 pm (why is the time stamp on this conversation relevant)? I wasn't using conceptual art as a movement that came after rap -- it's simply an established genre of art making with a shifting form. I think the same can be said of the DIY movement. You have a point with ADD-art, but as I mentioned earlier, I make a distinction here, because it was developed with artistic impetus not as a for profit venture. Finally, The identifiable style I'm discussing has been written about extensively by net scholar Olia Lialina. Her essay needs an update -- it was written two years ago -- but it makes the point pretty clearly I think. Her new book is coming to me in the mail shortly.http://www.contemporary-home-computing.org/vernacular-web-2/In any event - you're right, most of this stuff is crap -- but that's the same with anything. We're really only looking for the 2% that's worth remembering, and like everything else, we have to look very hard to find it. I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove at 10:15 pm (why is the time stamp on this conversation relevant)? I wasn’t using conceptual art as a movement that came after rap — it’s simply an established genre of art making with a shifting form. I think the same can be said of the DIY movement. You have a point with ADD-art, but as I mentioned earlier, I make a distinction here, because it was developed with artistic impetus not as a for profit venture. Finally, The identifiable style I’m discussing has been written about extensively by net scholar Olia Lialina. Her essay needs an update — it was written two years ago — but it makes the point pretty clearly I think. Her new book is coming to me in the mail shortly.

http://www.contemporary-home-computing.org/vernacular-web-2/

In any event – you’re right, most of this stuff is crap — but that’s the same with anything. We’re really only looking for the 2% that’s worth remembering, and like everything else, we have to look very hard to find it.

]]> By: Franklinhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-209038 Franklin Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:15:31 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-209038 I'm not sure what you're trying to establish at 8:59. Conceptual art predates rap. ADD-art is a delivery platform, like iTunes. I challenge you to identify the "identifiable style" of DIY. ROFLcon and the attendant concerns that you list deal with Internet culture, not art. Not that there is no overlap, but that the overlap isn't the point. Thus "it will likely be remembered less for its art than for the inventions that put the art into circulation."What's missing is a demonstration that any creative trend that can be identified as such, originating in 1990 or later, is capable of presenting a full range of humanistic concerns, or a narrow range with sublime examples, in a lasting manner. The world would be poorer without I Can Has Cheezburger, but we're not going to get great art out of LOLcats in the way we've gotten it out of rap, or abstract expressionism, or film noir, or magic realist fiction, or other artistic phenomena that we can readily name and describe. I’m not sure what you’re trying to establish at 8:59. Conceptual art predates rap. ADD-art is a delivery platform, like iTunes. I challenge you to identify the “identifiable style” of DIY. ROFLcon and the attendant concerns that you list deal with Internet culture, not art. Not that there is no overlap, but that the overlap isn’t the point. Thus “it will likely be remembered less for its art than for the inventions that put the art into circulation.”

What’s missing is a demonstration that any creative trend that can be identified as such, originating in 1990 or later, is capable of presenting a full range of humanistic concerns, or a narrow range with sublime examples, in a lasting manner. The world would be poorer without I Can Has Cheezburger, but we’re not going to get great art out of LOLcats in the way we’ve gotten it out of rap, or abstract expressionism, or film noir, or magic realist fiction, or other artistic phenomena that we can readily name and describe.

]]> By: Franklinhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/12/21/digital-technology-is-not-the-end-of-artistic-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-318133 Franklin Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:15:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=11727#comment-318133 I'm not sure what you're trying to establish at 8:59. Conceptual art predates rap. ADD-art is a delivery platform, like iTunes. I challenge you to identify the "identifiable style" of DIY. ROFLcon and the attendant concerns that you list deal with Internet culture, not art. Not that there is no overlap, but that the overlap isn't the point. Thus "it will likely be remembered less for its art than for the inventions that put the art into circulation."What's missing is a demonstration that any creative trend that can be identified as such, originating in 1990 or later, is capable of presenting a full range of humanistic concerns, or a narrow range with sublime examples, in a lasting manner. The world would be poorer without I Can Has Cheezburger, but we're not going to get great art out of LOLcats in the way we've gotten it out of rap, or abstract expressionism, or film noir, or magic realist fiction, or other artistic phenomena that we can readily name and describe. I’m not sure what you’re trying to establish at 8:59. Conceptual art predates rap. ADD-art is a delivery platform, like iTunes. I challenge you to identify the “identifiable style” of DIY. ROFLcon and the attendant concerns that you list deal with Internet culture, not art. Not that there is no overlap, but that the overlap isn’t the point. Thus “it will likely be remembered less for its art than for the inventions that put the art into circulation.”

What’s missing is a demonstration that any creative trend that can be identified as such, originating in 1990 or later, is capable of presenting a full range of humanistic concerns, or a narrow range with sublime examples, in a lasting manner. The world would be poorer without I Can Has Cheezburger, but we’re not going to get great art out of LOLcats in the way we’ve gotten it out of rap, or abstract expressionism, or film noir, or magic realist fiction, or other artistic phenomena that we can readily name and describe.

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