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	<title>Comments on: Lady Gaga&#8217;s Bluffin&#8217; With her Muffin</title>
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		<title>By: salocin</title>
		<link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/11/21/lady-gagas-bluffin-with-her-muffin/comment-page-1/#comment-203113</link>
		<dc:creator>salocin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://madonnarevelations.blogspot.com/2008/05/guy-bourdin-shes-not-me-shes-copy.html\n\n"The lawsuit against Madonna contained copyright infringement of at least 11 Bourdin works. Madonna was forced to pay $638,000 after copying ideas from a well-known artist without permission."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://madonnarevelations.blogspot.com/2008/05/guy-bourdin-shes-not-me-shes-copy.html" rel="nofollow">http://madonnarevelations.blogspot.com/2008/05/guy-bourdin-shes-not-me-shes-copy.html</a>\n\n&#8221;The lawsuit against Madonna contained copyright infringement of at least 11 Bourdin works. Madonna was forced to pay $638,000 after copying ideas from a well-known artist without permission.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: aeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>aeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it has all been done before, originality is dead, its just how you use and re-shape what has already been done and I don't see a problem with that.
lady gaga for example knows exactly what she is doing and gives credit to most if not all the designers and influences she has working with her and around her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it has all been done before, originality is dead, its just how you use and re-shape what has already been done and I don&#8217;t see a problem with that.<br />
lady gaga for example knows exactly what she is doing and gives credit to most if not all the designers and influences she has working with her and around her.</p>
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		<title>By: pim avondrood</title>
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		<dc:creator>pim avondrood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>analysis of gaga's occult symbolism, interresting for some of you..

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2737
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2614
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>analysis of gaga&#8217;s occult symbolism, interresting for some of you..</p>
<p><a href="http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2737" rel="nofollow">http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2737</a><br />
<a href="http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2614" rel="nofollow">http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2614</a><br />
<a href="http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676" rel="nofollow">http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>major lazor:

via pitchfork

http://pitchfork.com/forkcast/13613-keep-it-goin-louder-ft-nina-sky-and-ricky-blaze/

Tony Ousler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aqIk_ynVak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>major lazor:</p>
<p>via pitchfork</p>
<p><a href="http://pitchfork.com/forkcast/13613-keep-it-goin-louder-ft-nina-sky-and-ricky-blaze/" rel="nofollow">http://pitchfork.com/forkcast/13613-keep-it-goin-louder-ft-nina-sky-and-ricky-blaze/</a></p>
<p>Tony Ousler:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aqIk_ynVak" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aqIk_ynVak</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kayode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Gaga, I'm getting a Ryan Trecartin vibe from Beyonce's Video Phone video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFHdA_4y78Q
Things get terrifying after 1:00 but I was unable to resist the urge to run it back and watch her triple writhing action 7 times. Same thing with the first few minutes of I-BE AREA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Gaga, I&#8217;m getting a Ryan Trecartin vibe from Beyonce&#8217;s Video Phone video. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFHdA_4y78Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFHdA_4y78Q</a><br />
Things get terrifying after 1:00 but I was unable to resist the urge to run it back and watch her triple writhing action 7 times. Same thing with the first few minutes of I-BE AREA.</p>
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		<title>By: onomatopoea</title>
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		<dc:creator>onomatopoea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>american music awards man, so unoriginal and derivative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>american music awards man, so unoriginal and derivative.</p>
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		<title>By: onomatopoea</title>
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		<dc:creator>onomatopoea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i bet if you talked to the designer in person they would be happy to admit their influences - and shut up the humbug here - artists are more careful to differentiate their brand - lady Gaga is a singer who performs at art world functions.

The art world might like to make fashion as art but that doesn't make it so. Making work about fashion is hard because people just see fashion. Mathew Barney has the look and feel of fashion (and is thus familiar in a sense) but is "edgier" - instead of oiled or painted bodies we get latex faces, rotting horse flesh, blood and anal seepage. Instead of Euro dance  music we get hardcore bands from Connecticut.

But there does seem to be a trend to make Barneyesque work - that is, fashion tries to have meaning - where Barney was picked up too young (and started relatively late) to have created a cosmology, created one on the fly under well funded fire. The fashion world co-opts cosmologies - throwaway paper dresses without ideological or deep idiosyncratic 
But the superficial similarities are what fashion is all about - and that's kind of interesting.

Lady Gaga, apparently, is a gay icon (like madonna) which hardly makes here original, but no one says that about vaudeville or football. It is what it is. You can do it well and add something along he way.

I mean really, art is a kind of sport to most people who play in public.

What I mean to say is, there is a lot of repetition in the art world as well as the fashion world - i see it more as a matter of timing and nuance (individual style) than a question of originality - something that seems to worry people here concerned with dates - the linear progress of art has been pretty well discredited except in the market place where Regina Hacket already wrote this article (this angle as they say) for money (before she was layed off).



 heres a list of tropes off the top:

Decorated guns/guns made out of stuff
Found objects used in multiple to create larger structures (pipe cleaners, cigarettes, coins, straws, cups, wood squares)
People dancing in unison or performing some ritual (may pole, digging a hole, moshing, square dancing, running down the street)
large heads as floor sculpture

So become a tranny, learn to sing, if only badly, be a dj, and make soem art. Your fame awaits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i bet if you talked to the designer in person they would be happy to admit their influences - and shut up the humbug here - artists are more careful to differentiate their brand - lady Gaga is a singer who performs at art world functions.</p>
<p>The art world might like to make fashion as art but that doesn&#8217;t make it so. Making work about fashion is hard because people just see fashion. Mathew Barney has the look and feel of fashion (and is thus familiar in a sense) but is &#8220;edgier&#8221; - instead of oiled or painted bodies we get latex faces, rotting horse flesh, blood and anal seepage. Instead of Euro dance  music we get hardcore bands from Connecticut.</p>
<p>But there does seem to be a trend to make Barneyesque work - that is, fashion tries to have meaning - where Barney was picked up too young (and started relatively late) to have created a cosmology, created one on the fly under well funded fire. The fashion world co-opts cosmologies - throwaway paper dresses without ideological or deep idiosyncratic<br />
But the superficial similarities are what fashion is all about - and that&#8217;s kind of interesting.</p>
<p>Lady Gaga, apparently, is a gay icon (like madonna) which hardly makes here original, but no one says that about vaudeville or football. It is what it is. You can do it well and add something along he way.</p>
<p>I mean really, art is a kind of sport to most people who play in public.</p>
<p>What I mean to say is, there is a lot of repetition in the art world as well as the fashion world - i see it more as a matter of timing and nuance (individual style) than a question of originality - something that seems to worry people here concerned with dates - the linear progress of art has been pretty well discredited except in the market place where Regina Hacket already wrote this article (this angle as they say) for money (before she was layed off).</p>
<p> heres a list of tropes off the top:</p>
<p>Decorated guns/guns made out of stuff<br />
Found objects used in multiple to create larger structures (pipe cleaners, cigarettes, coins, straws, cups, wood squares)<br />
People dancing in unison or performing some ritual (may pole, digging a hole, moshing, square dancing, running down the street)<br />
large heads as floor sculpture</p>
<p>So become a tranny, learn to sing, if only badly, be a dj, and make soem art. Your fame awaits!</p>
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		<title>By: Art Fag City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Fag City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are nitpicking. In the lead sentence I identify artists - not myself - as the people who are unhappy about uncredited influences. This was not an accident.

You can call a mistake in labeling careless, but it negates the act of finding and taking the screenshots, both of which took a bit of time. And if no earlier precedent than Longo's Men in the Cities is offered up in a criticism about influences, than the comment is meaningless. Thus far, critics of this post have offered none. 

The point of these forums is not to prove that what's been written is fallible, but to add to the knowledge base that's already there. Comments that serve no other purpose that to demoralize the writers of this blog will no longer be published. There's been far too much of that on this blog as of late, and it's stopping as of now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are nitpicking. In the lead sentence I identify artists - not myself - as the people who are unhappy about uncredited influences. This was not an accident.</p>
<p>You can call a mistake in labeling careless, but it negates the act of finding and taking the screenshots, both of which took a bit of time. And if no earlier precedent than Longo&#8217;s Men in the Cities is offered up in a criticism about influences, than the comment is meaningless. Thus far, critics of this post have offered none. </p>
<p>The point of these forums is not to prove that what&#8217;s been written is fallible, but to add to the knowledge base that&#8217;s already there. Comments that serve no other purpose that to demoralize the writers of this blog will no longer be published. There&#8217;s been far too much of that on this blog as of late, and it&#8217;s stopping as of now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure that the "Bad Romance" labeling was simply a labeling mistake . . . the still from the "Poker Face" video should be dated 2008 as opposed to 2009.  

Sorry, I don't mean to nit-pick.  These simple dating accuracies cannot just be held to high art or trendy art, and then carelessly applied to a pop music video -- particularly when you are comparing the two.

I'm afraid that your flippant labeling reveals a certain 'rush to judgment' on your part, and I'm not convinced that these art references that you suggest "influence" current pop imagery can be said to represent an origin either. However, I appreciate your writing on the matter, if for no other reason than that it highlights "similarities" as opposed to naive riffings of high art.  I too thought of Matthew Barney when I watched the "Bad Romance" video for the first time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that the &#8220;Bad Romance&#8221; labeling was simply a labeling mistake . . . the still from the &#8220;Poker Face&#8221; video should be dated 2008 as opposed to 2009.  </p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t mean to nit-pick.  These simple dating accuracies cannot just be held to high art or trendy art, and then carelessly applied to a pop music video &#8212; particularly when you are comparing the two.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that your flippant labeling reveals a certain &#8216;rush to judgment&#8217; on your part, and I&#8217;m not convinced that these art references that you suggest &#8220;influence&#8221; current pop imagery can be said to represent an origin either. However, I appreciate your writing on the matter, if for no other reason than that it highlights &#8220;similarities&#8221; as opposed to naive riffings of high art.  I too thought of Matthew Barney when I watched the &#8220;Bad Romance&#8221; video for the first time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marina Galperina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina Galperina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Big Dress Saga continues. Back in 2004: Bjork, Olympics opening ceremony. Watch as the dress rises to cover the coliseum field: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FdjF-FCQhk (no audio)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Big Dress Saga continues. Back in 2004: Bjork, Olympics opening ceremony. Watch as the dress rises to cover the coliseum field: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FdjF-FCQhk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FdjF-FCQhk</a> (no audio)</p>
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