<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Is Hans Ulrich Obrist an Alien? AFC Reports from the Guggenheim</title> <atom:link href="http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/</link> <description>New York art news and reviews.</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:20:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Brad</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-161727</link> <dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:11:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-161727</guid> <description>What ivory tower? Obrist regularly seeks out and visits young people working in many different fields and industries. He is one of the most approachable, affable, secure and open minded individuals of his kind. His work is one of social networking -- he meets people and lets them inform him -- he learns rather than teaches. Then he  goes on to meet their friends and they people they recommend to him. Not one person as internationally visible and prominent in contemporary art has worked with so many people both marginal and mainstream.The post&#039;s &quot;jocular&quot; title seems to be a kind of yellow paper strategy at harvesting attention. With the muscular google presence of this blog though, it casts a rather negative light not so much on Obrist, as the post&#039;s author, Karen Archey. It&#039;s obvious she has a tenuous relationship with her subject (if any correspondence has transpired between them at all), and is fairly unfamiliar with his work or operational mode.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ivory tower? Obrist regularly seeks out and visits young people working in many different fields and industries. He is one of the most approachable, affable, secure and open minded individuals of his kind. His work is one of social networking &#8212; he meets people and lets them inform him &#8212; he learns rather than teaches. Then he  goes on to meet their friends and they people they recommend to him. Not one person as internationally visible and prominent in contemporary art has worked with so many people both marginal and mainstream.</p><p>The post&#8217;s &#8220;jocular&#8221; title seems to be a kind of yellow paper strategy at harvesting attention. With the muscular google presence of this blog though, it casts a rather negative light not so much on Obrist, as the post&#8217;s author, Karen Archey. It&#8217;s obvious she has a tenuous relationship with her subject (if any correspondence has transpired between them at all), and is fairly unfamiliar with his work or operational mode.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brad</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-318339</link> <dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-318339</guid> <description>What ivory tower? Obrist regularly seeks out and visits young people working in many different fields and industries. He is one of the most approachable, affable, secure and open minded individuals of his kind. His work is one of social networking -- he meets people and lets them inform him -- he learns rather than teaches. Then he  goes on to meet their friends and they people they recommend to him. Not one person as internationally visible and prominent in contemporary art has worked with so many people both marginal and mainstream.The post&#039;s &quot;jocular&quot; title seems to be a kind of yellow paper strategy at harvesting attention. With the muscular google presence of this blog though, it casts a rather negative light not so much on Obrist, as the post&#039;s author, Karen Archey. It&#039;s obvious she has a tenuous relationship with her subject (if any correspondence has transpired between them at all), and is fairly unfamiliar with his work or operational mode.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ivory tower? Obrist regularly seeks out and visits young people working in many different fields and industries. He is one of the most approachable, affable, secure and open minded individuals of his kind. His work is one of social networking &#8212; he meets people and lets them inform him &#8212; he learns rather than teaches. Then he  goes on to meet their friends and they people they recommend to him. Not one person as internationally visible and prominent in contemporary art has worked with so many people both marginal and mainstream.</p><p>The post&#8217;s &#8220;jocular&#8221; title seems to be a kind of yellow paper strategy at harvesting attention. With the muscular google presence of this blog though, it casts a rather negative light not so much on Obrist, as the post&#8217;s author, Karen Archey. It&#8217;s obvious she has a tenuous relationship with her subject (if any correspondence has transpired between them at all), and is fairly unfamiliar with his work or operational mode.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen Archey</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-160804</link> <dc:creator>Karen Archey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-160804</guid> <description>Jamie -- Thank you!!LTan --Apparently it went unnoticed that the post focuses solely on the DISCUSSION about the book, not the book itself. Like I stated in a previous comment, I look forward to reading the book. This does not disqualify me from writing about the discussion as an audience member as it seems to be suggested.Does anyone go to lectures to be unsatisfied and bored? I&#039;m confused by the comment that Obrist is an &quot;over-commited curator who &quot;rushed through much of the discussion&quot; and the comment &quot;I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator...(but there&#039;s really no reason...to title this post the way you did.&quot;)My labeling him an alien is just as much condemning as it is laudatory and jocular. See the last sentence of the post, &quot;Although he’s undeniably a gifted historian and curator, Hans Ulrich Obrist would probably benefit from climbing down his ivory tower and getting his hands a little dirty.&quot; Obrist is hyper-educated in an insular field, actively alienating public audiences. He noted his curatorial practice exists in the public sphere: wouldn&#039;t it be advantageous for him to hold discussions accessible to the public, let alone art world professionals? I even spoke to a curator that worked with Walter Hopps who had a difficult time keeping up with Obrist. This isn&#039;t to say he&#039;s &quot;stupid,&quot; far from it. He simply needs to consider his audience more thoroughly.I bring up his accent because I had difficulty with it and numerous parties mentioned it was a problem for them as well. Also, obviously writing a thesis in curatorial studies suggests that I have a greater knowledge of curatorial history than the average bear. I focused on the history of the documenta.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie &#8212; Thank you!!</p><p>LTan &#8211;</p><p>Apparently it went unnoticed that the post focuses solely on the DISCUSSION about the book, not the book itself. Like I stated in a previous comment, I look forward to reading the book. This does not disqualify me from writing about the discussion as an audience member as it seems to be suggested.</p><p>Does anyone go to lectures to be unsatisfied and bored? I&#8217;m confused by the comment that Obrist is an &#8220;over-commited curator who &#8220;rushed through much of the discussion&#8221; and the comment &#8220;I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator&#8230;(but there&#8217;s really no reason&#8230;to title this post the way you did.&#8221;)</p><p>My labeling him an alien is just as much condemning as it is laudatory and jocular. See the last sentence of the post, &#8220;Although he’s undeniably a gifted historian and curator, Hans Ulrich Obrist would probably benefit from climbing down his ivory tower and getting his hands a little dirty.&#8221; Obrist is hyper-educated in an insular field, actively alienating public audiences. He noted his curatorial practice exists in the public sphere: wouldn&#8217;t it be advantageous for him to hold discussions accessible to the public, let alone art world professionals? I even spoke to a curator that worked with Walter Hopps who had a difficult time keeping up with Obrist. This isn&#8217;t to say he&#8217;s &#8220;stupid,&#8221; far from it. He simply needs to consider his audience more thoroughly.</p><p>I bring up his accent because I had difficulty with it and numerous parties mentioned it was a problem for them as well. Also, obviously writing a thesis in curatorial studies suggests that I have a greater knowledge of curatorial history than the average bear. I focused on the history of the documenta.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen Archey</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-318338</link> <dc:creator>Karen Archey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-318338</guid> <description>Jamie -- Thank you!!LTan --Apparently it went unnoticed that the post focuses solely on the DISCUSSION about the book, not the book itself. Like I stated in a previous comment, I look forward to reading the book. This does not disqualify me from writing about the discussion as an audience member as it seems to be suggested.Does anyone go to lectures to be unsatisfied and bored? I&#039;m confused by the comment that Obrist is an &quot;over-commited curator who &quot;rushed through much of the discussion&quot; and the comment &quot;I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator...(but there&#039;s really no reason...to title this post the way you did.&quot;)My labeling him an alien is just as much condemning as it is laudatory and jocular. See the last sentence of the post, &quot;Although he’s undeniably a gifted historian and curator, Hans Ulrich Obrist would probably benefit from climbing down his ivory tower and getting his hands a little dirty.&quot; Obrist is hyper-educated in an insular field, actively alienating public audiences. He noted his curatorial practice exists in the public sphere: wouldn&#039;t it be advantageous for him to hold discussions accessible to the public, let alone art world professionals? I even spoke to a curator that worked with Walter Hopps who had a difficult time keeping up with Obrist. This isn&#039;t to say he&#039;s &quot;stupid,&quot; far from it. He simply needs to consider his audience more thoroughly.I bring up his accent because I had difficulty with it and numerous parties mentioned it was a problem for them as well. Also, obviously writing a thesis in curatorial studies suggests that I have a greater knowledge of curatorial history than the average bear. I focused on the history of the documenta.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie &#8212; Thank you!!</p><p>LTan &#8211;</p><p>Apparently it went unnoticed that the post focuses solely on the DISCUSSION about the book, not the book itself. Like I stated in a previous comment, I look forward to reading the book. This does not disqualify me from writing about the discussion as an audience member as it seems to be suggested.</p><p>Does anyone go to lectures to be unsatisfied and bored? I&#8217;m confused by the comment that Obrist is an &#8220;over-commited curator who &#8220;rushed through much of the discussion&#8221; and the comment &#8220;I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator&#8230;(but there&#8217;s really no reason&#8230;to title this post the way you did.&#8221;)</p><p>My labeling him an alien is just as much condemning as it is laudatory and jocular. See the last sentence of the post, &#8220;Although he’s undeniably a gifted historian and curator, Hans Ulrich Obrist would probably benefit from climbing down his ivory tower and getting his hands a little dirty.&#8221; Obrist is hyper-educated in an insular field, actively alienating public audiences. He noted his curatorial practice exists in the public sphere: wouldn&#8217;t it be advantageous for him to hold discussions accessible to the public, let alone art world professionals? I even spoke to a curator that worked with Walter Hopps who had a difficult time keeping up with Obrist. This isn&#8217;t to say he&#8217;s &#8220;stupid,&#8221; far from it. He simply needs to consider his audience more thoroughly.</p><p>I bring up his accent because I had difficulty with it and numerous parties mentioned it was a problem for them as well. Also, obviously writing a thesis in curatorial studies suggests that I have a greater knowledge of curatorial history than the average bear. I focused on the history of the documenta.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JS</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-160790</link> <dc:creator>JS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-160790</guid> <description>damn. right on (KA).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn. right on (KA).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JS</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-318336</link> <dc:creator>JS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-318336</guid> <description>damn. right on (KA).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn. right on (KA).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JS</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-318337</link> <dc:creator>JS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-318337</guid> <description>damn. right on (KA).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn. right on (KA).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ltan</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-160701</link> <dc:creator>ltan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:46:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-160701</guid> <description>I find this post problematic in a number of ways. Firstly, if you had read or researched the book before the panel, you would know that in no way does it position itself to be encyclopedic. The interviews within it are completely anecdotal and subjective, which is precisely why it makes it so readable and interesting. The point of this discussion was transparently to promote this book and not to explore Obrist&#039;s opinions on his own practice (which he does not speak about at all in the book). So, what type of &quot;a-ha&quot; moments did you expect from this? Additionally while you mention you wrote a thesis on curatorial studies, you do not specify what the focus of this thesis was. &quot;Curatorial studies&quot; does not necessarily have anything to do with the history of curating, and I found that aside completely irrelevant. And though a minor point, I speak no German and had no problems understanding Obrist. Clearly he is a over committed curator who rushed through much of this discussion but in no way does this make him an &quot;alien&quot;. Neither does speaking in an accent or referencing very specific moments from the book. It makes him a product of a hyperactive art world which may not allow him to properly prepare for every panel or lecture he gives. I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator, but there&#039;s really no reason (and you didn&#039;t offer one) to title this post the way you did.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this post problematic in a number of ways. Firstly, if you had read or researched the book before the panel, you would know that in no way does it position itself to be encyclopedic. The interviews within it are completely anecdotal and subjective, which is precisely why it makes it so readable and interesting. The point of this discussion was transparently to promote this book and not to explore Obrist&#8217;s opinions on his own practice (which he does not speak about at all in the book). So, what type of &#8220;a-ha&#8221; moments did you expect from this? Additionally while you mention you wrote a thesis on curatorial studies, you do not specify what the focus of this thesis was. &#8220;Curatorial studies&#8221; does not necessarily have anything to do with the history of curating, and I found that aside completely irrelevant. And though a minor point, I speak no German and had no problems understanding Obrist. Clearly he is a over committed curator who rushed through much of this discussion but in no way does this make him an &#8220;alien&#8221;. Neither does speaking in an accent or referencing very specific moments from the book. It makes him a product of a hyperactive art world which may not allow him to properly prepare for every panel or lecture he gives. I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator, but there&#8217;s really no reason (and you didn&#8217;t offer one) to title this post the way you did.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ltan</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-318335</link> <dc:creator>ltan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-318335</guid> <description>I find this post problematic in a number of ways. Firstly, if you had read or researched the book before the panel, you would know that in no way does it position itself to be encyclopedic. The interviews within it are completely anecdotal and subjective, which is precisely why it makes it so readable and interesting. The point of this discussion was transparently to promote this book and not to explore Obrist&#039;s opinions on his own practice (which he does not speak about at all in the book). So, what type of &quot;a-ha&quot; moments did you expect from this? Additionally while you mention you wrote a thesis on curatorial studies, you do not specify what the focus of this thesis was. &quot;Curatorial studies&quot; does not necessarily have anything to do with the history of curating, and I found that aside completely irrelevant. And though a minor point, I speak no German and had no problems understanding Obrist. Clearly he is a over committed curator who rushed through much of this discussion but in no way does this make him an &quot;alien&quot;. Neither does speaking in an accent or referencing very specific moments from the book. It makes him a product of a hyperactive art world which may not allow him to properly prepare for every panel or lecture he gives. I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator, but there&#039;s really no reason (and you didn&#039;t offer one) to title this post the way you did.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this post problematic in a number of ways. Firstly, if you had read or researched the book before the panel, you would know that in no way does it position itself to be encyclopedic. The interviews within it are completely anecdotal and subjective, which is precisely why it makes it so readable and interesting. The point of this discussion was transparently to promote this book and not to explore Obrist&#8217;s opinions on his own practice (which he does not speak about at all in the book). So, what type of &#8220;a-ha&#8221; moments did you expect from this? Additionally while you mention you wrote a thesis on curatorial studies, you do not specify what the focus of this thesis was. &#8220;Curatorial studies&#8221; does not necessarily have anything to do with the history of curating, and I found that aside completely irrelevant. And though a minor point, I speak no German and had no problems understanding Obrist. Clearly he is a over committed curator who rushed through much of this discussion but in no way does this make him an &#8220;alien&#8221;. Neither does speaking in an accent or referencing very specific moments from the book. It makes him a product of a hyperactive art world which may not allow him to properly prepare for every panel or lecture he gives. I may not have found the discussion very helpful as a curator, but there&#8217;s really no reason (and you didn&#8217;t offer one) to title this post the way you did.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: claroquesiputa</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/07/21/is-hans-ulrich-obrist-an-alien-afc-reports-from-the-guggenheim/comment-page-1/#comment-160694</link> <dc:creator>claroquesiputa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:14:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=7563#comment-160694</guid> <description>he&#039;s really weird.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he&#8217;s really weird.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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