<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Wikipedia Art Lasts All Day!</title> <atom:link href="http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/</link> <description>New York art news and reviews.</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:20:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Claire Gordon: The Truth According to Wikipedia &#124; www.iflickle.com</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-329709</link> <dc:creator>Claire Gordon: The Truth According to Wikipedia &#124; www.iflickle.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-329709</guid> <description>[...] and short-circuits in Wikipedia&#039;s totalizing claims to knowledge. Within 16 hours the page was deleted. A month later the Wikipedia Foundation sued the artists, who had established wikipediaart.org to [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and short-circuits in Wikipedia&#039;s totalizing claims to knowledge. Within 16 hours the page was deleted. A month later the Wikipedia Foundation sued the artists, who had established wikipediaart.org to [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Claire Gordon: The Truth According to Wikipedia at NEWS.GeekNerdNetwork.com</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-328359</link> <dc:creator>Claire Gordon: The Truth According to Wikipedia at NEWS.GeekNerdNetwork.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 01:04:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-328359</guid> <description>[...] 16 hours the page was deleted. A month later the Wikipedia Foundation sued the artists, who had established wikipediaart.org to [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 16 hours the page was deleted. A month later the Wikipedia Foundation sued the artists, who had established wikipediaart.org to [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Meaningless Protest in The Name of Art</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-325568</link> <dc:creator>Meaningless Protest in The Name of Art</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-325568</guid> <description>[...] nuisance status amongst website hosts, all in the name of art. The founders of the ill-fated Wikipedia Art would be proud. blog comments powered by Disqus /**/ var [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nuisance status amongst website hosts, all in the name of art. The founders of the ill-fated Wikipedia Art would be proud. blog comments powered by Disqus /**/ var [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tom moody</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-242644</link> <dc:creator>tom moody</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-242644</guid> <description>&quot;As for the Cage, how many days did it take to come up with that?&quot; is a biting comment but, Paddy, I respectfully disagree, a year later, that it is uncalled for. The slow response of counterexamples to your &quot;boring win-win scenario&quot; was worth noting and it&#039;s pretty obvious T.Whid was messing with you. &quot;Are you naturally offensive or do you try?&quot; is considerably ruder. As for Patrick Lichty&#039;s &quot;pose of the growly troll,&quot; the Rhizomers can&#039;t seem to make up their minds if I&#039;m a troll or posing as one, ha ha. I am posting now to note that Scott Kildall is still out there on the conference circuit talking about &quot;Wikipedia Art&quot; ( http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/2010/03/26/wikipedia-art-fifteen-hours-of-magic/ ). Perhaps the endless rehashing will make the page notable enough for reinstatement.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the Cage, how many days did it take to come up with that?&#8221; is a biting comment but, Paddy, I respectfully disagree, a year later, that it is uncalled for. The slow response of counterexamples to your &#8220;boring win-win scenario&#8221; was worth noting and it&#8217;s pretty obvious T.Whid was messing with you. &#8220;Are you naturally offensive or do you try?&#8221; is considerably ruder. As for Patrick Lichty&#8217;s &#8220;pose of the growly troll,&#8221; the Rhizomers can&#8217;t seem to make up their minds if I&#8217;m a troll or posing as one, ha ha. I am posting now to note that Scott Kildall is still out there on the conference circuit talking about &#8220;Wikipedia Art&#8221; ( <a href="http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/2010/03/26/wikipedia-art-fifteen-hours-of-magic/" rel="nofollow">http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/2010/03/26/wikipedia-art-fifteen-hours-of-magic/</a> ). Perhaps the endless rehashing will make the page notable enough for reinstatement.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tom moody</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-315998</link> <dc:creator>tom moody</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-315998</guid> <description>&quot;As for the Cage, how many days did it take to come up with that?&quot; is a biting comment but, Paddy, I respectfully disagree, a year later, that it is uncalled for. The slow response of counterexamples to your &quot;boring win-win scenario&quot; was worth noting and it&#039;s pretty obvious T.Whid was messing with you. &quot;Are you naturally offensive or do you try?&quot; is considerably ruder. As for Patrick Lichty&#039;s &quot;pose of the growly troll,&quot; the Rhizomers can&#039;t seem to make up their minds if I&#039;m a troll or posing as one, ha ha. I am posting now to note that Scott Kildall is still out there on the conference circuit talking about &quot;Wikipedia Art&quot; ( http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/2010/03/26/wikipedia-art-fifteen-hours-of-magic/ ). Perhaps the endless rehashing will make the page notable enough for reinstatement.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the Cage, how many days did it take to come up with that?&#8221; is a biting comment but, Paddy, I respectfully disagree, a year later, that it is uncalled for. The slow response of counterexamples to your &#8220;boring win-win scenario&#8221; was worth noting and it&#8217;s pretty obvious T.Whid was messing with you. &#8220;Are you naturally offensive or do you try?&#8221; is considerably ruder. As for Patrick Lichty&#8217;s &#8220;pose of the growly troll,&#8221; the Rhizomers can&#8217;t seem to make up their minds if I&#8217;m a troll or posing as one, ha ha. I am posting now to note that Scott Kildall is still out there on the conference circuit talking about &#8220;Wikipedia Art&#8221; ( <a href="http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/2010/03/26/wikipedia-art-fifteen-hours-of-magic/" rel="nofollow">http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/2010/03/26/wikipedia-art-fifteen-hours-of-magic/</a> ). Perhaps the endless rehashing will make the page notable enough for reinstatement.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MichaelAngelo</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-147175</link> <dc:creator>MichaelAngelo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:51:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-147175</guid> <description>What if I were to start Wikipedia Music?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if I were to start Wikipedia Music?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MichaelAngelo</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-315997</link> <dc:creator>MichaelAngelo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-315997</guid> <description>What if I were to start Wikipedia Music?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if I were to start Wikipedia Music?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Sherwin @ Myartspace Blog</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-144116</link> <dc:creator>Brian Sherwin @ Myartspace Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:07:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-144116</guid> <description>Update: Apparently Wikipedia.org has it in for Wikipediaart.org. Should be interesting.http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/04/art-space-talk-scott-kildall-and.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: Apparently Wikipedia.org has it in for Wikipediaart.org. Should be interesting.</p><p><a href="http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/04/art-space-talk-scott-kildall-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/04/art-space-talk-scott-kildall-and.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Sherwin @ Myartspace Blo</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-315996</link> <dc:creator>Brian Sherwin @ Myartspace Blo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-315996</guid> <description>Update: Apparently Wikipedia.org has it in for Wikipediaart.org. Should be interesting.http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/04/art-space-talk-scott-kildall-and.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: Apparently Wikipedia.org has it in for Wikipediaart.org. Should be interesting.</p><p><a href="http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/04/art-space-talk-scott-kildall-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/04/art-space-talk-scott-kildall-and.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrick Lichty</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/02/16/wikipedia-art-lasts-all-day/comment-page-2/#comment-315995</link> <dc:creator>Patrick Lichty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=5032#comment-315995</guid> <description>Regarding Tom&#039;s commentary on my Rhizome posting. I&#039;m not blase, maybe a little jaded, maybe a touch clinical, as little about WPA was that surprising UNTIL they got into the inner community.  Sure, WPA was a very tight little system.  Arguing about that is moot.As for my putting my own credentials behind it, it&#039;s not icky - it&#039;s sticky.  That actually had a little risk to it, and almost has to do with things like Second Front, the Mattes, etc.  Who should care about virtual performance art?  But in all honesty, compared to the tactical media projects I&#039;ve been involved in, art in general is a microcosm.  Tempests in teapots, until you become someone like Steve Kurtz...That&#039;s not blase; that&#039;s just speaking the facts.The fact that (for some strange reason) we care about art is not blase, either - although the larger society may consider us academic in our own right.  Again, in many cases, the arguing is people fighting over scraps of credibility when there are so many better things to do.0: I actually was not a progenitor of th eproject, but I thought it was &quot;interesting&quot; to see what they would do.  Using my creds was probably necessary; although it probably didn&#039;t help me that much.  Took one for the team if it lessened my cred any, but you have to take risks once in a while.1: Sure, it was strategic.  Maybe one could also look at it as a model for critique of the contemporary &quot;strategic&quot; artist.  II don&#039;t find this that interesting, because the argument devolves quickly.2: It did get interesting when I saw the arcane underbelly of Wikipedia, and I will never let my students cite from it again.3: ... (to be continued)4: As for Tom&#039;s &quot;icky&quot; and other comments during the Surfin Club debacle on Rhizome (another temest/teapot.  This pose of the growly troll is old - Josh Zeidner, Kandinskii, Lismore, Antiorp, Brad Brace, nn, integer, have all institutionalized this position as &quot;anti-strategy&quot; that&#039;s just as much of a pose as a strategy.4b: As for my veracity, as I told Joseph McElroy - I&#039;m a pretty stright up person, and rarely pose for the camera.  I just have a passion for this, and if I lost that, I&#039;d walk.  Many of today&#039;s new medi agang are about the PR game, positioning, strategies.  I do that a little bit if it fits the concept.  Beyond that, while nothing&#039;s pure, my veracity is still pretty much there - you see what you get, and it&#039;s out fo a spirit of support for a love of thsi stufff and support of the community. so for those of you who think otherwise, well, comments from people like the &#039;nasty&#039; Tom Moody are often not worth a lot of my time. Although I&#039;d buy him a couple rounds on the spot were I ever to see him in the flesh.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Tom&#8217;s commentary on my Rhizome posting.<br /> I&#8217;m not blase, maybe a little jaded, maybe a touch clinical, as little about WPA was that surprising UNTIL they got into the inner community.  Sure, WPA was a very tight little system.  Arguing about that is moot.</p><p>As for my putting my own credentials behind it, it&#8217;s not icky &#8211; it&#8217;s sticky.  That actually had a little risk to it, and almost has to do with things like Second Front, the Mattes, etc.  Who should care about virtual performance art?  But in all honesty, compared to the tactical media projects I&#8217;ve been involved in, art in general is a microcosm.  Tempests in teapots, until you become someone like Steve Kurtz&#8230;</p><p>That&#8217;s not blase; that&#8217;s just speaking the facts.</p><p>The fact that (for some strange reason) we care about art is not blase, either &#8211; although the larger society may consider us academic in our own right.  Again, in many cases, the arguing is people fighting over scraps of credibility when there are so many better things to do.</p><p>0: I actually was not a progenitor of th eproject, but I thought it was &#8220;interesting&#8221; to see what they would do.  Using my creds was probably necessary; although it probably didn&#8217;t help me that much.  Took one for the team if it lessened my cred any, but you have to take risks once in a while.</p><p>1: Sure, it was strategic.  Maybe one could also look at it as a model for critique of the contemporary &#8220;strategic&#8221; artist.  II don&#8217;t find this that interesting, because the argument devolves quickly.</p><p>2: It did get interesting when I saw the arcane underbelly of Wikipedia, and I will never let my students cite from it again.</p><p>3: &#8230; (to be continued)</p><p>4: As for Tom&#8217;s &#8220;icky&#8221; and other comments during the Surfin Club debacle on Rhizome (another temest/teapot.  This pose of the growly troll is old &#8211; Josh Zeidner, Kandinskii, Lismore, Antiorp, Brad Brace, nn, integer, have all institutionalized this position as &#8220;anti-strategy&#8221; that&#8217;s just as much of a pose as a strategy.</p><p>4b: As for my veracity, as I told Joseph McElroy &#8211; I&#8217;m a pretty stright up person, and rarely pose for the camera.  I just have a passion for this, and if I lost that, I&#8217;d walk.  Many of today&#8217;s new medi agang are about the PR game, positioning, strategies.  I do that a little bit if it fits the concept.  Beyond that, while nothing&#8217;s pure, my veracity is still pretty much there &#8211; you see what you get, and it&#8217;s out fo a spirit of support for a love of thsi stufff and support of the community. so for those of you who think otherwise, well, comments from people like the &#8216;nasty&#8217; Tom Moody are often not worth a lot of my time. Although I&#8217;d buy him a couple rounds on the spot were I ever to see him in the flesh.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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