Comments on: Women Panelists Absent at ROFLcon. Again. http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/ New York art news and reviews. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: My God, it’s Full of Internets « All of the Abovehttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-328967 My God, it’s Full of Internets « All of the Above Wed, 09 Mar 2011 00:24:01 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-328967 [...] handful of critical blogposts thrown at us. The peak of this was, undeniably, Art Fag City’s criticism via/re: Steve Lambert. Here’s what I wrote to the ROFLCon mailing list (as part of a very active, intense email [...] [...] handful of critical blogposts thrown at us. The peak of this was, undeniably, Art Fag City’s criticism via/re: Steve Lambert. Here’s what I wrote to the ROFLCon mailing list (as part of a very active, intense email [...]

]]> By: Steve Lamberthttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-129281 Steve Lambert Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:52:10 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-129281 @Paddy - I'd also add that other people (outspoken women, in fact!) had pointed out the problem to ROFLcon at previous events months before (see this piece from <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2008/04/roflcon_on_the_gendernet.html" rel="nofollow">NPR</a>).@Phoenix, granted you didn't know about the effort Paddy had made to get women on the panel, but is it fair to blame <i>women</i> for not bringing it up, or not suggesting women panelists? Or is it ok now to place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the organizers for not including them at 2 straight events after it was brought up as an issue in April? @Paddy – I’d also add that other people (outspoken women, in fact!) had pointed out the problem to ROFLcon at previous events months before (see this piece from NPR).

@Phoenix, granted you didn’t know about the effort Paddy had made to get women on the panel, but is it fair to blame women for not bringing it up, or not suggesting women panelists? Or is it ok now to place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the organizers for not including them at 2 straight events after it was brought up as an issue in April?

]]> By: Steve Lamberthttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-315931 Steve Lambert Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:52:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-315931 @Paddy - I'd also add that other people (outspoken women, in fact!) had pointed out the problem to ROFLcon at previous events months before (see this piece from <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2008/04/roflcon_on_the_gendernet.html" rel="nofollow">NPR</a>).@Phoenix, granted you didn't know about the effort Paddy had made to get women on the panel, but is it fair to blame <i>women</i> for not bringing it up, or not suggesting women panelists? Or is it ok now to place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the organizers for not including them at 2 straight events after it was brought up as an issue in April? @Paddy – I’d also add that other people (outspoken women, in fact!) had pointed out the problem to ROFLcon at previous events months before (see this piece from NPR).

@Phoenix, granted you didn’t know about the effort Paddy had made to get women on the panel, but is it fair to blame women for not bringing it up, or not suggesting women panelists? Or is it ok now to place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the organizers for not including them at 2 straight events after it was brought up as an issue in April?

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-129240 Art Fag City Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:56:26 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-129240 Why are you assuming I didn't contact ROFLcon? In fact, I contacted the organization three weeks prior to the conference alerting them to the issue, and asked if they were planning on addressing it. They responded, and asked for suggestions. I sent them A List of Women for Your Conference, as well as specific suggestions of who might participate. They made no changes to the panels and offered me and one other woman a "featured attendee" slot. Given that plenty of women attend conferences and far fewer speak at them, both of us declined, not wanting to participate in a conference that perpetuated these problems.I then approached Steve Lambert with the problem, he came up with the presentation, and I covered it. Why are you assuming I didn’t contact ROFLcon? In fact, I contacted the organization three weeks prior to the conference alerting them to the issue, and asked if they were planning on addressing it. They responded, and asked for suggestions. I sent them A List of Women for Your Conference, as well as specific suggestions of who might participate. They made no changes to the panels and offered me and one other woman a “featured attendee” slot. Given that plenty of women attend conferences and far fewer speak at them, both of us declined, not wanting to participate in a conference that perpetuated these problems.

I then approached Steve Lambert with the problem, he came up with the presentation, and I covered it.

]]> By: Art Fag Cityhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-315930 Art Fag City Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:56:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-315930 Why are you assuming I didn't contact ROFLcon? In fact, I contacted the organization three weeks prior to the conference alerting them to the issue, and asked if they were planning on addressing it. They responded, and asked for suggestions. I sent them A List of Women for Your Conference, as well as specific suggestions of who might participate. They made no changes to the panels and offered me and one other woman a "featured attendee" slot. Given that plenty of women attend conferences and far fewer speak at them, both of us declined, not wanting to participate in a conference that perpetuated these problems.I then approached Steve Lambert with the problem, he came up with the presentation, and I covered it. Why are you assuming I didn’t contact ROFLcon? In fact, I contacted the organization three weeks prior to the conference alerting them to the issue, and asked if they were planning on addressing it. They responded, and asked for suggestions. I sent them A List of Women for Your Conference, as well as specific suggestions of who might participate. They made no changes to the panels and offered me and one other woman a “featured attendee” slot. Given that plenty of women attend conferences and far fewer speak at them, both of us declined, not wanting to participate in a conference that perpetuated these problems.

I then approached Steve Lambert with the problem, he came up with the presentation, and I covered it.

]]> By: Phoenixhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-129237 Phoenix Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:41:08 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-129237 I'm sorry. As a both a female member of the internet community and a female scientist, one thing that I have noticed and that this article so eloquently conveys, women are really good at being passive and then being pissed off that nobody noticed them.You want to speak at ROFLcon? Why didn't you CONTACT the organizers and request that they let you speak or suggest that they include a female speaker that you find interesting? No, instead you sit there doing nothing proactive to get more women included, then bitch that no women spoke at the event. No offense, but that is the exact reason that many women toil away unnoticed.Frankly, as a woman I am disgusted and embarrassed by this attitude it just makes shit for all of us harder. If you want to advance out in the real world, you have to demand it, regardless of your external genitailia. I notice this sort of suffering martyr attitude in many women and it pisses me the hell off. Your lack of action and subsequent bitching about the results piss me off and are a walking stereotype about women.This is pathetic. Thank you for making my life and the lives of women trying to get ahead everywhere more difficult. I’m sorry. As a both a female member of the internet community and a female scientist, one thing that I have noticed and that this article so eloquently conveys, women are really good at being passive and then being pissed off that nobody noticed them.

You want to speak at ROFLcon? Why didn’t you CONTACT the organizers and request that they let you speak or suggest that they include a female speaker that you find interesting? No, instead you sit there doing nothing proactive to get more women included, then bitch that no women spoke at the event. No offense, but that is the exact reason that many women toil away unnoticed.

Frankly, as a woman I am disgusted and embarrassed by this attitude it just makes shit for all of us harder. If you want to advance out in the real world, you have to demand it, regardless of your external genitailia. I notice this sort of suffering martyr attitude in many women and it pisses me the hell off. Your lack of action and subsequent bitching about the results piss me off and are a walking stereotype about women.

This is pathetic. Thank you for making my life and the lives of women trying to get ahead everywhere more difficult.

]]> By: Phoenixhttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-315929 Phoenix Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:41:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-315929 I'm sorry. As a both a female member of the internet community and a female scientist, one thing that I have noticed and that this article so eloquently conveys, women are really good at being passive and then being pissed off that nobody noticed them.You want to speak at ROFLcon? Why didn't you CONTACT the organizers and request that they let you speak or suggest that they include a female speaker that you find interesting? No, instead you sit there doing nothing proactive to get more women included, then bitch that no women spoke at the event. No offense, but that is the exact reason that many women toil away unnoticed.Frankly, as a woman I am disgusted and embarrassed by this attitude it just makes shit for all of us harder. If you want to advance out in the real world, you have to demand it, regardless of your external genitailia. I notice this sort of suffering martyr attitude in many women and it pisses me the hell off. Your lack of action and subsequent bitching about the results piss me off and are a walking stereotype about women.This is pathetic. Thank you for making my life and the lives of women trying to get ahead everywhere more difficult. I’m sorry. As a both a female member of the internet community and a female scientist, one thing that I have noticed and that this article so eloquently conveys, women are really good at being passive and then being pissed off that nobody noticed them.

You want to speak at ROFLcon? Why didn’t you CONTACT the organizers and request that they let you speak or suggest that they include a female speaker that you find interesting? No, instead you sit there doing nothing proactive to get more women included, then bitch that no women spoke at the event. No offense, but that is the exact reason that many women toil away unnoticed.

Frankly, as a woman I am disgusted and embarrassed by this attitude it just makes shit for all of us harder. If you want to advance out in the real world, you have to demand it, regardless of your external genitailia. I notice this sort of suffering martyr attitude in many women and it pisses me the hell off. Your lack of action and subsequent bitching about the results piss me off and are a walking stereotype about women.

This is pathetic. Thank you for making my life and the lives of women trying to get ahead everywhere more difficult.

]]> By: L.M.http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-128637 L.M. Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:33:12 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-128637 Sally is right, if they were smart they'd invite me. I could be the Ayn Rand of ROFL and I would continue keep all the other women out. (in exchange for nothing but oodles of flattery) Sally is right, if they were smart they’d invite me. I could be the Ayn Rand of ROFL and I would continue keep all the other women out. (in exchange for nothing but oodles of flattery)

]]> By: L.M.http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-315928 L.M. Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:33:00 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-315928 Sally is right, if they were smart they'd invite me. I could be the Ayn Rand of ROFL and I would continue keep all the other women out. (in exchange for nothing but oodles of flattery) Sally is right, if they were smart they’d invite me. I could be the Ayn Rand of ROFL and I would continue keep all the other women out. (in exchange for nothing but oodles of flattery)

]]> By: liz filardihttp://www.artfagcity.com/2009/01/26/women-panelists-absent-at-roflcon-again/comment-page-2/#comment-128626 liz filardi Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:43:39 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/?p=4735#comment-128626 I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kathleen Grace, producer of the Burg and the All-for-Nots, not to mention any of the hilarious female cast members of both of those shows. ROFLthing would totally have benefited from a panel like that. I’m surprised no one has mentioned Kathleen Grace, producer of the Burg and the All-for-Nots, not to mention any of the hilarious female cast members of both of those shows. ROFLthing would totally have benefited from a panel like that.

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