<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Massive Links! National Edition</title> <atom:link href="http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/</link> <description>New York art news and reviews.</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:20:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Personism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-06-20</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-69315</link> <dc:creator>Personism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-06-20</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:33:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-69315</guid> <description>[...] Art Fag City » Massive Links! National Edition Please to be reading the comments here. Good thread. (tags: art photography museums galleries)   Digg This&#160;&#160;&#160; Save to Del.icio.us [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Art Fag City » Massive Links! National Edition Please to be reading the comments here. Good thread. (tags: art photography museums galleries)   Digg This&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Save to Del.icio.us [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tom moody</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-69151</link> <dc:creator>tom moody</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:05:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-69151</guid> <description>Coming to this a little late. Since Tyler isn&#039;t likely to come back to this thread I&#039;ll refer to him in the third person.It&#039;s kind of funny to watch him deny his own words here.Paddy, he asks you, &quot;Where did I imply that the commercial viability of the work made it less valid?&quot;Well, in the Sillman story he wrote that &quot;The Hirshhorn exhibition is a commercial-gallery sales opportunity dropped into a museum.&quot; He used the word &quot;commercial&quot; twice more in that short post and three times in the short Misrach post.The clear import of all this repetition is that there is something suspect about &quot;commerce,&quot; that the selection of the work was made with a view to immediate marketing needs--choosing &quot;available&quot; work shown in the last couple of years--and not the long view of posterity. Green said as much in the Sillman review.But when called on it, he said his use of &quot;commercial&quot; was just to differentiate a museum from a gallery and carries no value judgment. But he could just as easily do that by saying &quot;private art gallery&quot; to distinguish it from a public institution. The repeated use of &quot;commercial&quot; was scolding.It&#039;s the noodgy hectoring that bugs me more than elitism. Most of us in the gallery scene are inured to its web of incestuous relationships and just want to know &quot;is the damn show any good?&quot; (My own disillusionment came 17 years ago when the Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth included William Wegman&#039;s publicity photos for the movie &quot;Hook&quot; in a mini-retrospective of his, the same month &quot;Hook&quot; opened.)Art is done on shoestring budgets relative to other forms of amusement. Great art shows (like great art articles) are a gift and can come together under the worst of circumstances. Pointing out those circumstances again and again, while offering the barest of discussion of the actual art being shown, isn&#039;t muckraking, it&#039;s ankle biting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this a little late. Since Tyler isn&#8217;t likely to come back to this thread I&#8217;ll refer to him in the third person.</p><p>It&#8217;s kind of funny to watch him deny his own words here.</p><p>Paddy, he asks you, &#8220;Where did I imply that the commercial viability of the work made it less valid?&#8221;</p><p>Well, in the Sillman story he wrote that &#8220;The Hirshhorn exhibition is a commercial-gallery sales opportunity dropped into a museum.&#8221; He used the word &#8220;commercial&#8221; twice more in that short post and three times in the short Misrach post.</p><p>The clear import of all this repetition is that there is something suspect about &#8220;commerce,&#8221; that the selection of the work was made with a view to immediate marketing needs&#8211;choosing &#8220;available&#8221; work shown in the last couple of years&#8211;and not the long view of posterity. Green said as much in the Sillman review.</p><p>But when called on it, he said his use of &#8220;commercial&#8221; was just to differentiate a museum from a gallery and carries no value judgment. But he could just as easily do that by saying &#8220;private art gallery&#8221; to distinguish it from a public institution. The repeated use of &#8220;commercial&#8221; was scolding.</p><p>It&#8217;s the noodgy hectoring that bugs me more than elitism. Most of us in the gallery scene are inured to its web of incestuous relationships and just want to know &#8220;is the damn show any good?&#8221; (My own disillusionment came 17 years ago when the Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth included William Wegman&#8217;s publicity photos for the movie &#8220;Hook&#8221; in a mini-retrospective of his, the same month &#8220;Hook&#8221; opened.)</p><p>Art is done on shoestring budgets relative to other forms of amusement. Great art shows (like great art articles) are a gift and can come together under the worst of circumstances. Pointing out those circumstances again and again, while offering the barest of discussion of the actual art being shown, isn&#8217;t muckraking, it&#8217;s ankle biting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tom moody</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-313318</link> <dc:creator>tom moody</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-313318</guid> <description>Coming to this a little late. Since Tyler isn&#039;t likely to come back to this thread I&#039;ll refer to him in the third person.It&#039;s kind of funny to watch him deny his own words here.Paddy, he asks you, &quot;Where did I imply that the commercial viability of the work made it less valid?&quot;Well, in the Sillman story he wrote that &quot;The Hirshhorn exhibition is a commercial-gallery sales opportunity dropped into a museum.&quot; He used the word &quot;commercial&quot; twice more in that short post and three times in the short Misrach post.The clear import of all this repetition is that there is something suspect about &quot;commerce,&quot; that the selection of the work was made with a view to immediate marketing needs--choosing &quot;available&quot; work shown in the last couple of years--and not the long view of posterity. Green said as much in the Sillman review.But when called on it, he said his use of &quot;commercial&quot; was just to differentiate a museum from a gallery and carries no value judgment. But he could just as easily do that by saying &quot;private art gallery&quot; to distinguish it from a public institution. The repeated use of &quot;commercial&quot; was scolding.It&#039;s the noodgy hectoring that bugs me more than elitism. Most of us in the gallery scene are inured to its web of incestuous relationships and just want to know &quot;is the damn show any good?&quot; (My own disillusionment came 17 years ago when the Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth included William Wegman&#039;s publicity photos for the movie &quot;Hook&quot; in a mini-retrospective of his, the same month &quot;Hook&quot; opened.)Art is done on shoestring budgets relative to other forms of amusement. Great art shows (like great art articles) are a gift and can come together under the worst of circumstances. Pointing out those circumstances again and again, while offering the barest of discussion of the actual art being shown, isn&#039;t muckraking, it&#039;s ankle biting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this a little late. Since Tyler isn&#8217;t likely to come back to this thread I&#8217;ll refer to him in the third person.</p><p>It&#8217;s kind of funny to watch him deny his own words here.</p><p>Paddy, he asks you, &#8220;Where did I imply that the commercial viability of the work made it less valid?&#8221;</p><p>Well, in the Sillman story he wrote that &#8220;The Hirshhorn exhibition is a commercial-gallery sales opportunity dropped into a museum.&#8221; He used the word &#8220;commercial&#8221; twice more in that short post and three times in the short Misrach post.</p><p>The clear import of all this repetition is that there is something suspect about &#8220;commerce,&#8221; that the selection of the work was made with a view to immediate marketing needs&#8211;choosing &#8220;available&#8221; work shown in the last couple of years&#8211;and not the long view of posterity. Green said as much in the Sillman review.</p><p>But when called on it, he said his use of &#8220;commercial&#8221; was just to differentiate a museum from a gallery and carries no value judgment. But he could just as easily do that by saying &#8220;private art gallery&#8221; to distinguish it from a public institution. The repeated use of &#8220;commercial&#8221; was scolding.</p><p>It&#8217;s the noodgy hectoring that bugs me more than elitism. Most of us in the gallery scene are inured to its web of incestuous relationships and just want to know &#8220;is the damn show any good?&#8221; (My own disillusionment came 17 years ago when the Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth included William Wegman&#8217;s publicity photos for the movie &#8220;Hook&#8221; in a mini-retrospective of his, the same month &#8220;Hook&#8221; opened.)</p><p>Art is done on shoestring budgets relative to other forms of amusement. Great art shows (like great art articles) are a gift and can come together under the worst of circumstances. Pointing out those circumstances again and again, while offering the barest of discussion of the actual art being shown, isn&#8217;t muckraking, it&#8217;s ankle biting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Art Fag City</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-66284</link> <dc:creator>Art Fag City</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-66284</guid> <description>It sounds like you&#039;re saying the show at Pace isn&#039;t good enough for the museum. That&#039;s fine, but it&#039;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#039;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#039;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#039;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#039;t produce a catalog (which -- correct me if I&#039;m wrong -- isn&#039;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).I don&#039;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#039;t seen.  I also don&#039;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re saying the show at Pace isn&#8217;t good enough for the museum. That&#8217;s fine, but it&#8217;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#8217;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#8217;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#8217;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#8217;t produce a catalog (which &#8212; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8212; isn&#8217;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).</p><p>I don&#8217;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#8217;t seen.  I also don&#8217;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Art Fag City</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-313315</link> <dc:creator>Art Fag City</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-313315</guid> <description>It sounds like you&#039;re saying the show at Pace isn&#039;t good enough for the museum. That&#039;s fine, but it&#039;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#039;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#039;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#039;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#039;t produce a catalog (which -- correct me if I&#039;m wrong -- isn&#039;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).I don&#039;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#039;t seen.  I also don&#039;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re saying the show at Pace isn&#8217;t good enough for the museum. That&#8217;s fine, but it&#8217;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#8217;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#8217;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#8217;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#8217;t produce a catalog (which &#8212; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8212; isn&#8217;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).</p><p>I don&#8217;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#8217;t seen.  I also don&#8217;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Art Fag City</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-313316</link> <dc:creator>Art Fag City</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-313316</guid> <description>It sounds like you&#039;re saying the show at Pace isn&#039;t good enough for the museum. That&#039;s fine, but it&#039;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#039;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#039;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#039;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#039;t produce a catalog (which -- correct me if I&#039;m wrong -- isn&#039;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).I don&#039;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#039;t seen.  I also don&#039;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re saying the show at Pace isn&#8217;t good enough for the museum. That&#8217;s fine, but it&#8217;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#8217;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#8217;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#8217;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#8217;t produce a catalog (which &#8212; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8212; isn&#8217;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).</p><p>I don&#8217;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#8217;t seen.  I also don&#8217;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Art Fag City</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-313317</link> <dc:creator>Art Fag City</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-313317</guid> <description>It sounds like you&#039;re saying the show at Pace isn&#039;t good enough for the museum. That&#039;s fine, but it&#039;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#039;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#039;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#039;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#039;t produce a catalog (which -- correct me if I&#039;m wrong -- isn&#039;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).I don&#039;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#039;t seen.  I also don&#039;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re saying the show at Pace isn&#8217;t good enough for the museum. That&#8217;s fine, but it&#8217;s likely to be challenged in a time when large commercial galleries increasingly launch museum quality shows.  The fact that the gallery is a business in and of itself doesn&#8217;t explain why the Pace show is insufficient for a museum (but it is what led me to believe you were taking an elitist position.) It also doesn&#8217;t tell me what the National Gallery needs to do to make it better. The only evidence I&#8217;ve read so far is the tagged on observation that they didn&#8217;t produce a catalog (which &#8212; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8212; isn&#8217;t entirely unusual for what sounds like a relatively small show).</p><p>I don&#8217;t understand why you assume I should know so much about a show I haven&#8217;t seen.  I also don&#8217;t know what legalities are involved for the museum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tyler Green</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-66275</link> <dc:creator>Tyler Green</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-66275</guid> <description>I have no idea where this &quot;commercial viability&quot; thing came from. I didn&#039;t raise it, so I&#039;m not going to address it. Of course I referred to the show as coming from a commercial gallery: Pace is a commercial art gallery; it is not an art museum. There is a profound difference.Shouldn&#039;t an art museum -- with all that implies, both legally and otherwise -- strive to do more than merely re-hang a Pace show?!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea where this &#8220;commercial viability&#8221; thing came from. I didn&#8217;t raise it, so I&#8217;m not going to address it. Of course I referred to the show as coming from a commercial gallery: Pace is a commercial art gallery; it is not an art museum. There is a profound difference.</p><p>Shouldn&#8217;t an art museum &#8212; with all that implies, both legally and otherwise &#8212; strive to do more than merely re-hang a Pace show?!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tyler Green</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-313312</link> <dc:creator>Tyler Green</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-313312</guid> <description>I have no idea where this &quot;commercial viability&quot; thing came from. I didn&#039;t raise it, so I&#039;m not going to address it. Of course I referred to the show as coming from a commercial gallery: Pace is a commercial art gallery; it is not an art museum. There is a profound difference.Shouldn&#039;t an art museum -- with all that implies, both legally and otherwise -- strive to do more than merely re-hang a Pace show?!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea where this &#8220;commercial viability&#8221; thing came from. I didn&#8217;t raise it, so I&#8217;m not going to address it. Of course I referred to the show as coming from a commercial gallery: Pace is a commercial art gallery; it is not an art museum. There is a profound difference.</p><p>Shouldn&#8217;t an art museum &#8212; with all that implies, both legally and otherwise &#8212; strive to do more than merely re-hang a Pace show?!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tyler Green</title><link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-313313</link> <dc:creator>Tyler Green</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/06/10/massive-links-national-edition/#comment-313313</guid> <description>I have no idea where this &quot;commercial viability&quot; thing came from. I didn&#039;t raise it, so I&#039;m not going to address it. Of course I referred to the show as coming from a commercial gallery: Pace is a commercial art gallery; it is not an art museum. There is a profound difference.Shouldn&#039;t an art museum -- with all that implies, both legally and otherwise -- strive to do more than merely re-hang a Pace show?!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea where this &#8220;commercial viability&#8221; thing came from. I didn&#8217;t raise it, so I&#8217;m not going to address it. Of course I referred to the show as coming from a commercial gallery: Pace is a commercial art gallery; it is not an art museum. There is a profound difference.</p><p>Shouldn&#8217;t an art museum &#8212; with all that implies, both legally and otherwise &#8212; strive to do more than merely re-hang a Pace show?!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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