Comments on: The New York Art Canon http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/ As relevant as Eric Fischl. New York art news, reviews and gossip. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:17:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47873 tom moody Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:52:35 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47873 That Tyler Green link seems to be kaput... I'm surprised that Rirkrit Tiravanija cooking Thai food in the gallery wasn't included. Note there is no "art about earlier art" or "art about the art world" on Saltz's list. We were arguing a while back about the relative importance of that. Picking Benglis' sexy Artforum ad (over her paintings) might count as that--it was a response to an earlier ad with Robert Morris in a German helmet. Saltz's inclusion of Cady Noland explains why Saltz got so upset when Triple Candie recreated her work. Canons must be protected! That Tyler Green link seems to be kaput…
I’m surprised that Rirkrit Tiravanija cooking Thai food in the gallery wasn’t included.
Note there is no “art about earlier art” or “art about the art world” on Saltz’s list. We were arguing a while back about the relative importance of that.
Picking Benglis’ sexy Artforum ad (over her paintings) might count as that–it was a response to an earlier ad with Robert Morris in a German helmet.
Saltz’s inclusion of Cady Noland explains why Saltz got so upset when Triple Candie recreated her work. Canons must be protected!

]]> By: Art Fag City http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47883 Art Fag City Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:21:19 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47883 I fixed that - thanks for the heads up. I'm not that surprised Rirkrit Tiravanija wasn't included. Saltz wrote a long piece extolling the virtues of relational aesthetics in the 90's (can't seem to find it - I think it was for art in america) but I don't sense the same kind of engagement in it than I've seen in say, his review of the Biennial. It's a different kind of write up of course, but I feel like Saltz is good on certain kinds of current trends, and formalism, but has a lot less interest in e-flux crowd art. I think I'd say Benglis' Artforum ad is art about art or art about earlier art, but if we're choosing art for its political currency it certainly belongs on the list. I mean, I hate the Serrano and his discussion of Piss Christ in the 90's, but I reluctantly agree that it should be there if for no other reason than we're still suffering from the effects. I couldn't remember if Saltz was in on the Triple Candie pile on or not. I guess the answer to that is yes. I fixed that - thanks for the heads up.

I’m not that surprised Rirkrit Tiravanija wasn’t included. Saltz wrote a long piece extolling the virtues of relational aesthetics in the 90’s (can’t seem to find it - I think it was for art in america) but I don’t sense the same kind of engagement in it than I’ve seen in say, his review of the Biennial. It’s a different kind of write up of course, but I feel like Saltz is good on certain kinds of current trends, and formalism, but has a lot less interest in e-flux crowd art.

I think I’d say Benglis’ Artforum ad is art about art or art about earlier art, but if we’re choosing art for its political currency it certainly belongs on the list. I mean, I hate the Serrano and his discussion of Piss Christ in the 90’s, but I reluctantly agree that it should be there if for no other reason than we’re still suffering from the effects.

I couldn’t remember if Saltz was in on the Triple Candie pile on or not. I guess the answer to that is yes.

]]> By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47887 tom moody Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:37:45 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47887 Yes, he said Noland should "get a lawyer to get medieval on Triple Candie." According to anaba, as I recall, Saltz was also griping about the show on the lecture circuit. Yes, he said Noland should “get a lawyer to get medieval on Triple Candie.” According to anaba, as I recall, Saltz was also griping about the show on the lecture circuit.

]]> By: Briz http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47911 Briz Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:23:24 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47911 Vito Acconci rocks! I just read a recent interview that he did. Vito Acconci rocks! I just read a recent interview that he did.

]]> By: martin http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47941 martin Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:42:46 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47941 yes, he talked about disliking the hammond and noland shows, and said that the show "the trouble with triple candie" should have been called "the trouble with our genitals" at that same lecture, incidentally, he described himself as the first and last matthew barney fan, meaning that he was the only person who still liked matthew barney. yes, he talked about disliking the hammond and noland shows, and said that the show “the trouble with triple candie” should have been called “the trouble with our genitals”

at that same lecture, incidentally, he described himself as the first and last matthew barney fan, meaning that he was the only person who still liked matthew barney.

]]> By: Art Fag City http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47942 Art Fag City Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:46:16 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-47942 Ha! Apparently not enough to list him as part of the canon. It's also patently untrue, since Barney still made at least one person's top ten list last year at artforum. Ha! Apparently not enough to list him as part of the canon. It’s also patently untrue, since Barney still made at least one person’s top ten list last year at artforum.

]]> By: C-MONSTER.net. » Blog Archive » The Digest. 04.18.08. http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-48111 C-MONSTER.net. » Blog Archive » The Digest. 04.18.08. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:24:25 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-48111 [...] on NY Mag’s “New York Canon”: AFC reports that it’s missing Nam June Paik. Also still missing: graffiti. What could possibly more New York than graffiti? Why isn’t [...] […] on NY Mag’s “New York Canon”: AFC reports that it’s missing Nam June Paik. Also still missing: graffiti. What could possibly more New York than graffiti? Why isn’t […]

]]> By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-49902 tom moody Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:44:49 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-49902 According to Benglis' Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Benglis ...the ad with Robert Morris "in full 'butch' S&M regalia" ran in the same issue of Artforum as the Benglis ad. The source is Anna Chave. Can anyone confirm this? Wikip. also says "Morris' advertisement, however, generated little commentary, providing evidence for Benglis' view that male artists were encouraged to promote themselves, whereas women were chastised for doing so." Well, she's in the "canon" now for the ad and not her usual work (poured paint sculptures--I incorrectly called them paintings). I don't know what thay says about anything. According to Benglis’ Wikipedia entry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Benglis

…the ad with Robert Morris “in full ‘butch’ S&M regalia” ran in the same issue of Artforum as the Benglis ad. The source is Anna Chave. Can anyone confirm this?

Wikip. also says “Morris’ advertisement, however, generated little commentary, providing evidence for Benglis’ view that male artists were encouraged to promote themselves, whereas women were chastised for doing so.”

Well, she’s in the “canon” now for the ad and not her usual work (poured paint sculptures–I incorrectly called them paintings). I don’t know what thay says about anything.

]]> By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-49907 tom moody Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:45:33 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-49907 (Thanks to D for noting this) (Thanks to D for noting this)

]]> By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-69650 tom moody Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:22:50 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/17/the-new-york-art-canon/#comment-69650 This is weird: Jerry Saltz rewrote his "canon" piece for Artnet http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/features/saltz/saltz4-23-08.asp and includes Matthew Barney and Rirkrit Tiravanija. Is a canon really a canon when it changes from publication to publication so as not to have anyone feel left out? This is weird:

Jerry Saltz rewrote his “canon” piece for Artnet

http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/features/saltz/saltz4-23-08.asp

and includes Matthew Barney and Rirkrit Tiravanija.

Is a canon really a canon when it changes from publication to publication so as not to have anyone feel left out?

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