Ryan McGinley Inspires Inspid Reporting

I find it really annoying. Also the photo–”running nude with sneakers.”

I find it really annoying. Also the photo–”running nude with sneakers.”

I’m just taking this all in and don’t have an opinion yet. So, very honestly, I’d like to ask you – what do you think of Ryan McGinley’s work ?

I’m just taking this all in and don’t have an opinion yet. So, very honestly, I’d like to ask you – what do you think of Ryan McGinley’s work ?

in all fairness, they weren’t reviewing the show, that was from the photoblog documenting the opening.

in all fairness, they weren’t reviewing the show, that was from the photoblog documenting the opening.

Jacson: The post doesn’t ask for a review though, it asks for reporting that is less pandering.

Deaner: I may write about the work, so I’ll know better at that time, but as a general observation, I’d say it’s really hard to have an objective opinion about his work because he’s so famous. Every time you look at his work, you’re also looking at his public personality. So I guess I’d say, that the works I’ve seen in person haven’t blown me away, but I haven’t seen the show, so I can’t judge it yet.

Jacson: The post doesn’t ask for a review though, it asks for reporting that is less pandering.

Deaner: I may write about the work, so I’ll know better at that time, but as a general observation, I’d say it’s really hard to have an objective opinion about his work because he’s so famous. Every time you look at his work, you’re also looking at his public personality. So I guess I’d say, that the works I’ve seen in person haven’t blown me away, but I haven’t seen the show, so I can’t judge it yet.

Well, I have to say, AFC, in response to your comment: I, admittedly, am not as informed as others on the “who’s who” bullshit that makes the art world what it is. I have seen and studied a lot of photography, though, and I can say that I really liked this show a lot. So, I can safely say I have seen his work without seeing HIM.

Second, in response to your question in the post itself, “Does anyone else find this really annoying?” I have to be honest with you: while maybe the snippet is pandering, and perhaps even annoying depending on one’s mood (not to mention its source), I found your reaction to also be a little annoying. It is elitist. You draw attention to both the quote and yourself in a way that suggests a worthlessness of his words, and a higher value to yours, despite the fact that you haven’t even seen the work that inspired the comment to begin with. At any rate, all either of you seems to be talking about here is Ryan McGinley himself, so if you don’t like McGinley, it might be better to just say so and say that you disagree with Artforum, rather than be sarcastic. It would make you sound more reputable and respectable, and make for something more interesting and worthwhile to read.

Not trying to be confrontational or aggressive. This is coming from someone who appreciates you for information in/on the art world. Just my two cents.

Well, I have to say, AFC, in response to your comment: I, admittedly, am not as informed as others on the “who’s who” bullshit that makes the art world what it is. I have seen and studied a lot of photography, though, and I can say that I really liked this show a lot. So, I can safely say I have seen his work without seeing HIM.

Second, in response to your question in the post itself, “Does anyone else find this really annoying?” I have to be honest with you: while maybe the snippet is pandering, and perhaps even annoying depending on one’s mood (not to mention its source), I found your reaction to also be a little annoying. It is elitist. You draw attention to both the quote and yourself in a way that suggests a worthlessness of his words, and a higher value to yours, despite the fact that you haven’t even seen the work that inspired the comment to begin with. At any rate, all either of you seems to be talking about here is Ryan McGinley himself, so if you don’t like McGinley, it might be better to just say so and say that you disagree with Artforum, rather than be sarcastic. It would make you sound more reputable and respectable, and make for something more interesting and worthwhile to read.

Not trying to be confrontational or aggressive. This is coming from someone who appreciates you for information in/on the art world. Just my two cents.

Sam: I see your point, but even without the bit about Wyeth that comment would have been annoying. That probably doesn’t stop the response from being a little grating (now that you point it out, unfortunately, I see it), but given this, I think the fact that I haven’t seen the show isn’t a very strong point.

Also, “haven’t been blown away” doesn’t mean dislike. Over rated maybe, but I wouldn’t go so far as dislike.

Sam: I see your point, but even without the bit about Wyeth that comment would have been annoying. That probably doesn’t stop the response from being a little grating (now that you point it out, unfortunately, I see it), but given this, I think the fact that I haven’t seen the show isn’t a very strong point.

Also, “haven’t been blown away” doesn’t mean dislike. Over rated maybe, but I wouldn’t go so far as dislike.

I really loved this new series of work by Ryan McGinley. “Falling Cornfield” is one of the most beautiful photographs I think I have ever seen. You’re right…Artforum gushed a little…but I think it has to do with the combination of such strong work and Ryan’s innate glamour…seriously.

Now I’m gushing.

I really loved this new series of work by Ryan McGinley. “Falling Cornfield” is one of the most beautiful photographs I think I have ever seen. You’re right…Artforum gushed a little…but I think it has to do with the combination of such strong work and Ryan’s innate glamour…seriously.

Now I’m gushing.

AFC: I think I read your dislike from the way you were speaking, not from what you were saying. Also, I was merely including your lack of having seen the show as a means of leveling the playing field. But thanks for your response!

All that aside, I think you should definitely see the show. It’s a strong body overall.

AFC: I think I read your dislike from the way you were speaking, not from what you were saying. Also, I was merely including your lack of having seen the show as a means of leveling the playing field. But thanks for your response!

All that aside, I think you should definitely see the show. It’s a strong body overall.

This “work” is beyond meaningless. It’s basically “hot young art kids gone wild.” I can almost hear the screams of “take it off” and the sounds of drugs being snorted all across his fake road trips in search of beauty in depravity. These people are auditioned for and unlike his originals, the photo’s have zero substance. Well, maybe not zero. That would be more like those Morrissey color splash pictures. These have a tiny bit of substance in that they reference his photos when from when looking at them didn’t want to make me throw up in my mouth.

And has anyone even seen a Wyeth painting recently? I thought they were trite, sentimental, american folk garbage, but actually, they’re skillfully made, thoughtful and quite beautiful. I don’t want to say he’s turning over in his grave, but he might be.

This “work” is beyond meaningless. It’s basically “hot young art kids gone wild.” I can almost hear the screams of “take it off” and the sounds of drugs being snorted all across his fake road trips in search of beauty in depravity. These people are auditioned for and unlike his originals, the photo’s have zero substance. Well, maybe not zero. That would be more like those Morrissey color splash pictures. These have a tiny bit of substance in that they reference his photos when from when looking at them didn’t want to make me throw up in my mouth.

And has anyone even seen a Wyeth painting recently? I thought they were trite, sentimental, american folk garbage, but actually, they’re skillfully made, thoughtful and quite beautiful. I don’t want to say he’s turning over in his grave, but he might be.

Yes, I do find the gushing praise over McGinley annoying. It very much is based on his persona as a scenester, and not the work.

Which isn’t terrible, except for reminding me of Abercrombie ads minus the sexy people. And the minimal aesthetic quality as photographs- well it seems like snapshots of trust-fund hippies larking about on drugs. It reminds me of what I hated about Darjeeling Express- beautiful scenery in an exotic setting, self-absorbed characters on a road trip. “Like, wow- America beyond the Lower East Side is like, wow- let’s get naked.”

It’s more about the imagined lifestyle of the artist than the photos- famous, carefree, young, hip and successful. But really boring and any aesthetic value in a single photo almost seems like an accident. Just mho.

Yes, I do find the gushing praise over McGinley annoying. It very much is based on his persona as a scenester, and not the work.

Which isn’t terrible, except for reminding me of Abercrombie ads minus the sexy people. And the minimal aesthetic quality as photographs- well it seems like snapshots of trust-fund hippies larking about on drugs. It reminds me of what I hated about Darjeeling Express- beautiful scenery in an exotic setting, self-absorbed characters on a road trip. “Like, wow- America beyond the Lower East Side is like, wow- let’s get naked.”

It’s more about the imagined lifestyle of the artist than the photos- famous, carefree, young, hip and successful. But really boring and any aesthetic value in a single photo almost seems like an accident. Just mho.

I don’t want to say he’s turning over in his grave, but he might be.
retortage // 18 Apr 2008, 12:05 pm

Andrew Wyeth isn’t dead

I don’t want to say he’s turning over in his grave, but he might be.
retortage // 18 Apr 2008, 12:05 pm

Andrew Wyeth isn’t dead

retortage: I think you’ve found your soul mate in Arundel ; )

You once thought of Andrew Wyeth as trite, sentimental, american folk garbage…but you eventually woke up…I sense the same thing will happen for you regarding Ryan.

I’m happy that Johnny Nella set you straight about Mr. Wyeth…who is still happily at work.

ps not all of the Morrissey series were colour spash pictures…some were non-colour splash pictures.

retortage: I think you’ve found your soul mate in Arundel ; )

You once thought of Andrew Wyeth as trite, sentimental, american folk garbage…but you eventually woke up…I sense the same thing will happen for you regarding Ryan.

I’m happy that Johnny Nella set you straight about Mr. Wyeth…who is still happily at work.

ps not all of the Morrissey series were colour spash pictures…some were non-colour splash pictures.

A world of playful innocence, where attractive young people frolic naked and unashamed. Brought to you by an artist and his professional team, scouting the country for locations. Just like Disney, except for the naked part.
“Running nude with sneakers” will likely grow more silly with the years, not less.
The precedent is Maxfield Parrish, not Wyeth.

A world of playful innocence, where attractive young people frolic naked and unashamed. Brought to you by an artist and his professional team, scouting the country for locations. Just like Disney, except for the naked part.
“Running nude with sneakers” will likely grow more silly with the years, not less.
The precedent is Maxfield Parrish, not Wyeth.

When I was a child,I hated the Max parrish”Dinky Bird “illustration-it bugged,it seemed precious,as far as I could sense such a quality at that early age-and the one of a chick with her legs spread open,in a truck,just hate it-it is all so unnatural,and really pointless.”MY friends are pretty”fuck you-you fucking hired them -

When I was a child,I hated the Max parrish”Dinky Bird “illustration-it bugged,it seemed precious,as far as I could sense such a quality at that early age-and the one of a chick with her legs spread open,in a truck,just hate it-it is all so unnatural,and really pointless.”MY friends are pretty”fuck you-you fucking hired them -

Maxfield

Maxfield

I don’t know RM, but admire his work. From this starting point, will someone please tell me the name of the subject in “Running Field”? Nice ass whoever it is ;)

I don’t know RM, but admire his work. From this starting point, will someone please tell me the name of the subject in “Running Field”? Nice ass whoever it is ;)

Photos aren’t art. That’s why they’re so vacuous and boring… unless the person being photographed has an interesting face. Its so easy to take a photo that even vacuous imbeciles can take pictures. And there’s a lot of dough in selling a lot of cameras to a whole lot of vauous imbeciles. Nobody ever went broke flattering all the idiots out there for money. You can’t beat big business at making money off a lot of stupid people. And then, not to be left behind as unhip and out of the loop, the pseudo-intellectual fan boys (critics) will figure out a way to fawn over it and walk out in front of the parade of dopes.

That’s life. The idiots announce they are geniuses at every turn. And the real geniuses are too busy working on their art to make up the political ground.

Now that the great Andrew Wyeth is actually dead, that makes the ratio of mediocrities to towering talents about 40 million to 1.

Photos aren’t art. That’s why they’re so vacuous and boring… unless the person being photographed has an interesting face. Its so easy to take a photo that even vacuous imbeciles can take pictures. And there’s a lot of dough in selling a lot of cameras to a whole lot of vauous imbeciles. Nobody ever went broke flattering all the idiots out there for money. You can’t beat big business at making money off a lot of stupid people. And then, not to be left behind as unhip and out of the loop, the pseudo-intellectual fan boys (critics) will figure out a way to fawn over it and walk out in front of the parade of dopes.

That’s life. The idiots announce they are geniuses at every turn. And the real geniuses are too busy working on their art to make up the political ground.

Now that the great Andrew Wyeth is actually dead, that makes the ratio of mediocrities to towering talents about 40 million to 1.