Comments on: The Rematerialization of Art as Described by Holy Fire http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/ As relevant as Eric Fischl. New York art news, reviews and gossip. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:27:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44292 tom moody Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:46:12 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44292 Thanks for putting this in the context of the Met's "who collected Rembrandts" show. I missed it and those reviews you linked to. It is a good analogy--another show that put the fact of consumption ahead of the reason for buying. (Without even so much as a Hans Haacke-like "follow the money" agenda.) It seemed that some people took my arguments as an attack on the artists, or collecting in general. I believe those folks (many of whom are my peers) skimmed my comments rather than reading them. I propose a moratorium on saying "It must be good, look how mad it made you" as was said repeatedly on that thread. That is not an argument. Thanks for putting this in the context of the Met’s “who collected Rembrandts” show. I missed it and those reviews you linked to. It is a good analogy–another show that put the fact of consumption ahead of the reason for buying. (Without even so much as a Hans Haacke-like “follow the money” agenda.)
It seemed that some people took my arguments as an attack on the artists, or collecting in general. I believe those folks (many of whom are my peers) skimmed my comments rather than reading them.
I propose a moratorium on saying “It must be good, look how mad it made you” as was said repeatedly on that thread. That is not an argument.

]]> By: stephe http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44295 stephe Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:10:49 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44295 Is your synopsis here a commodified rematerialization of the discussion about the show which is partly about the commodified rematerialization of art? :) Stating the obvious, its weird how instantaneous criticism (or any such abstraction of art) has become. Back in 1912 when I was knee-high to a grasshopper, it took years to collectively flesh out this much. Cubism would have been declared dead in 1 year at this rate. Is your synopsis here a commodified rematerialization of the discussion about the show which is partly about the commodified rematerialization of art? :) Stating the obvious, its weird how instantaneous criticism (or any such abstraction of art) has become. Back in 1912 when I was knee-high to a grasshopper, it took years to collectively flesh out this much. Cubism would have been declared dead in 1 year at this rate.

]]> By: Art Fag City http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44319 Art Fag City Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:06:20 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44319 Tom: Yeah, the show was pretty awful. Paintings were hung under each doner's name - a disservice to the art if there ever was one. It was one of the few cases I've gone into a museum and wondered why I couldn't just have received a pamplett on the doners, and seen the art presented in a more meaningful kind of way. Unless you're Catherine the Great, I don't need a portrait of your collection tastes. It's pretty annoying that the acknowledgment that the thread is engaging usually comes in the form of "It must be good, look how mad it made you", which as you say, adds nothing. The same thing could be gained by saying "I got x out this conversation", and it would be more meaningful. Stephen: Ha! Well put. My synopsis is a commodified rematerialization of the discussion about the show which is partly about the commodified rematerialization of art! Tom: Yeah, the show was pretty awful. Paintings were hung under each doner’s name - a disservice to the art if there ever was one. It was one of the few cases I’ve gone into a museum and wondered why I couldn’t just have received a pamplett on the doners, and seen the art presented in a more meaningful kind of way. Unless you’re Catherine the Great, I don’t need a portrait of your collection tastes.

It’s pretty annoying that the acknowledgment that the thread is engaging usually comes in the form of “It must be good, look how mad it made you”, which as you say, adds nothing. The same thing could be gained by saying “I got x out this conversation”, and it would be more meaningful.

Stephen: Ha! Well put. My synopsis is a commodified rematerialization of the discussion about the show which is partly about the commodified rematerialization of art!

]]> By: tom moody http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44325 tom moody Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:32:28 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-44325 Other non-starter arguments on the thread: "Hey, at least it's something." (Not exactly a call to arms; implies critics are lazy do-nothings.) "We are speaking the unspeakable." (A variant on "It must be important because it made you mad.") "Artists have been thinking about this." (When do artists *not* think about getting paid?) Other non-starter arguments on the thread:

“Hey, at least it’s something.” (Not exactly a call to arms; implies critics are lazy do-nothings.)

“We are speaking the unspeakable.” (A variant on “It must be important because it made you mad.”)

“Artists have been thinking about this.” (When do artists *not* think about getting paid?)

]]> By: xDxD http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-53467 xDxD Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:15:50 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/11/the-rematerialization-of-art-as-described-by-holy-fire/#comment-53467 been there ... http://www.artisopensource.net/hacks/holy_fire_remixed.html .. and made a couple of important (at least for me) statements by performing a prank. :) been there …

http://www.artisopensource.net/hacks/holy_fire_remixed.html

.. and made a couple of important (at least for me) statements by performing a prank.

:)

]]>