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	<title>Comments on: No Photo:  A Discussion on Museum Photo Policies</title>
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	<description>As relevant as Eric Fischl. New York art news, reviews and gossip.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/01/25/no-photo-a-discussion-on-museum-photography-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-226911</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm why not just sneak a few quick pictures with a cell phone camera with the flash disabled? If its a crowded location or you have a few friends with you, that makes it easy to get away with! Sometimes its just easier to quietly break certain rules than question or try to change them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm why not just sneak a few quick pictures with a cell phone camera with the flash disabled? If its a crowded location or you have a few friends with you, that makes it easy to get away with! Sometimes its just easier to quietly break certain rules than question or try to change them!</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/01/25/no-photo-a-discussion-on-museum-photography-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-219390</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are about a dozen legitimate reasons why museums and galleries might want to ban photography, with or without flash, but "avoiding damage to the exhibits" is not legitimate.

Fifteen years ago the National Gallery of London ran a 3-year trial and found that 400,000 photoflashes caused no more damage to paintings than the normal gallery lighting did. For a summary see:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14519701.500-old-masters-will-not-fade-in-a-flash.html

See also the same conclusions published in Museum Management and Curatorship, 1994, Vol 13 (1) p.104.

Internet postings are full of assertions and occasional anecdotal stories of damage caused by flash, but I have failed to find a single piece of evidence backed by science or experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are about a dozen legitimate reasons why museums and galleries might want to ban photography, with or without flash, but &#8220;avoiding damage to the exhibits&#8221; is not legitimate.</p>
<p>Fifteen years ago the National Gallery of London ran a 3-year trial and found that 400,000 photoflashes caused no more damage to paintings than the normal gallery lighting did. For a summary see:<br />
<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14519701.500-old-masters-will-not-fade-in-a-flash.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14519701.500-old-masters-will-not-fade-in-a-flash.html</a></p>
<p>See also the same conclusions published in Museum Management and Curatorship, 1994, Vol 13 (1) p.104.</p>
<p>Internet postings are full of assertions and occasional anecdotal stories of damage caused by flash, but I have failed to find a single piece of evidence backed by science or experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Queens denizen</title>
		<link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/01/25/no-photo-a-discussion-on-museum-photography-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-66700</link>
		<dc:creator>Queens denizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect many museums institute a blanket "no photography" instead of "no flash" because it's easier to enforce.

I've been in a dozen or so trips to Western Europe, and there's always some moron who won't bother to shut off their flash (either doesn't care or doesn't know how).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect many museums institute a blanket &#8220;no photography&#8221; instead of &#8220;no flash&#8221; because it&#8217;s easier to enforce.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in a dozen or so trips to Western Europe, and there&#8217;s always some moron who won&#8217;t bother to shut off their flash (either doesn&#8217;t care or doesn&#8217;t know how).</p>
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		<title>By: Can You Take Pictures Inside A Museum? &#171; On Being A Museologist</title>
		<link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/01/25/no-photo-a-discussion-on-museum-photography-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-44100</link>
		<dc:creator>Can You Take Pictures Inside A Museum? &#171; On Being A Museologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An interesting discussion about this issue can be read here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/01/25/no-photo-a-discussion-on-museum-photography-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-29260</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your post and the questions of photography and how annoying it is for you.

As a former employee at MoMA and former security officer, I must say that for all the complaining that guards are completely indifferent I must stand in their defense and say that it is not only their fault for the constant photographic intrusion on the museum.  The museum is a business, not a place of culture anymore, sad for me to admit so.  Tourists are encouraged to arrive for the high admittance fee, and their experience is to be made more inclusive in that "art belongs to us all", which is a false pretense to abuse paintings and other works through bland photography.

The guards try their best, but YOU try standing on post for 8 hours at a time (10 on Fridays), and you try to keep people well behaved without any real powers while at the same time attempting to keep the photographers from flashing back and forth.  YOU try to prevent people from touching pieces, and then eating, and using the cell phone, I could go on just as you do when you complain.

Start appreciating the people who work there instead of constantly criticizing; it is their jobs but they have more on their minds than your comfort, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your post and the questions of photography and how annoying it is for you.</p>
<p>As a former employee at MoMA and former security officer, I must say that for all the complaining that guards are completely indifferent I must stand in their defense and say that it is not only their fault for the constant photographic intrusion on the museum.  The museum is a business, not a place of culture anymore, sad for me to admit so.  Tourists are encouraged to arrive for the high admittance fee, and their experience is to be made more inclusive in that &#8220;art belongs to us all&#8221;, which is a false pretense to abuse paintings and other works through bland photography.</p>
<p>The guards try their best, but YOU try standing on post for 8 hours at a time (10 on Fridays), and you try to keep people well behaved without any real powers while at the same time attempting to keep the photographers from flashing back and forth.  YOU try to prevent people from touching pieces, and then eating, and using the cell phone, I could go on just as you do when you complain.</p>
<p>Start appreciating the people who work there instead of constantly criticizing; it is their jobs but they have more on their minds than your comfort, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: justin heidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin heidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straigh dope answered a question about flashes damaging work:
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mflashphoto.html

Consensus: flash photography hurts work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straigh dope answered a question about flashes damaging work:<br />
<a href="http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mflashphoto.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mflashphoto.html</a></p>
<p>Consensus: flash photography hurts work.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of thing runs deeper than just cameras and flashes, though.  

I was recently at Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego where I was stopped from taking pictures with my flashless cellphone camera.  I wasn't even trying to take a picture of any work - just my girlfriend.  When I asked about this, I was eventually told I couldn't use anything that could possible take pictures at all... even a low res cellphone camera.

How is this a good policy?  I can understand the issue of gift shop income or artist's wishes over documentation, but this seems like an out of touch, institutional sickness.

It makes me sad for the museum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of thing runs deeper than just cameras and flashes, though.  </p>
<p>I was recently at Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego where I was stopped from taking pictures with my flashless cellphone camera.  I wasn&#8217;t even trying to take a picture of any work - just my girlfriend.  When I asked about this, I was eventually told I couldn&#8217;t use anything that could possible take pictures at all&#8230; even a low res cellphone camera.</p>
<p>How is this a good policy?  I can understand the issue of gift shop income or artist&#8217;s wishes over documentation, but this seems like an out of touch, institutional sickness.</p>
<p>It makes me sad for the museum.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was interesting discussion on this issue at BoingBoing last year... 

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/13/photobans-at-pop-art.html

Note the comment from Isara, who works at a museum. She basically says that it's the owners of the art that are uptight about photography, not the museums. Thus, why most museums are mainly okay with photos of their permanent collections.

So, perhaps the problem is with copyright law.

I too enjoy taking photos in museums and galleries too, and abhor flash.

One idea for a solution: You have to sign up for a pass by (1) signing something that says you're only using the images for non-commercial purposes and (2) demonstrating that you know how to disable the flash on your camera. The pass would cost $5 and you'd wear it around your neck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was interesting discussion on this issue at BoingBoing last year&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/13/photobans-at-pop-art.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/13/photobans-at-pop-art.html</a></p>
<p>Note the comment from Isara, who works at a museum. She basically says that it&#8217;s the owners of the art that are uptight about photography, not the museums. Thus, why most museums are mainly okay with photos of their permanent collections.</p>
<p>So, perhaps the problem is with copyright law.</p>
<p>I too enjoy taking photos in museums and galleries too, and abhor flash.</p>
<p>One idea for a solution: You have to sign up for a pass by (1) signing something that says you&#8217;re only using the images for non-commercial purposes and (2) demonstrating that you know how to disable the flash on your camera. The pass would cost $5 and you&#8217;d wear it around your neck.</p>
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		<title>By: L.M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before shooting at the Louvre, several years ago, I asked a French photographer if I would have a problem, she explained that they didn't allow professional photographers to work there without permission, but not to worry because the French security guards would never think that a woman with a camera could be a professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before shooting at the Louvre, several years ago, I asked a French photographer if I would have a problem, she explained that they didn&#8217;t allow professional photographers to work there without permission, but not to worry because the French security guards would never think that a woman with a camera could be a professional.</p>
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		<title>By: C-MONSTER.net. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rant: Museum no-photo policies.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C-MONSTER.net. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rant: Museum no-photo policies.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interesting discussion about museum no-photo policies over at Art Fag City that’s worth checking [...]</description>
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