Comments on: Via ArtCal Zine: Fuck You, Ray. Here’s Your Irony Back http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/ As relevant as Eric Fischl. New York art news, reviews and gossip. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:44:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: tnowakowski http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12307 tnowakowski Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:33:24 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/#comment-12307 I don't know. I'm guessing Fisher is writing that despite Pettibon's pieces winding up being commodity exchanges and eye candy for some wealthies crib in Architectural Digest, they still provide the moment of Zen for viewers, like punk rock. I guess it depends on what u call punk rock. Punk really had its roots in lower working class discontent and was as much about its own dysfunction and discontent as it was about getting the rulers. Cid and Nancy fucked up and fucked. Moreover, the media had no problem positioning them for us, often at odds w/ what the performers thought they were doing. Kurdt Kobain thought he was as pure punk as could be, but was translated into grunge, alternative, progressive; while Guns n Roses Axel thought he was punk, LA style, but was marketed as late Hair Band. Patti Smith, now considered proto punk, was too shamanistic experimental 2b political and so on. I don't see Pettibon's work in the same league w/ Punk since it lacks the working class 'fuck you, ass wipe'. Like punk, though, I can see it being positioned as more a University-safe caricature of political satire raised or lowered to the level of a different marketing. How would u ever know or judge if the conscious raising effort here ever worked? Moreover, the Goya effect seems to take over. The 3rd of May, represents peasants being systematically executed by French troops, the docent mentions the Disaster of War series and then earnestly lauds Goya's masterful design and interesting placement of the lighting source w/in the picture. Plop. I don’t know. I’m guessing Fisher is writing that despite Pettibon’s pieces winding up being commodity exchanges and eye candy for some wealthies crib in Architectural Digest, they still provide the moment of Zen for viewers, like punk rock. I guess it depends on what u call punk rock. Punk really had its roots in lower working class discontent and was as much about its own dysfunction and discontent as it was about getting the rulers. Cid and Nancy fucked up and fucked. Moreover, the media had no problem positioning them for us, often at odds w/ what the performers thought they were doing. Kurdt Kobain thought he was as pure punk as could be, but was translated into grunge, alternative, progressive; while Guns n Roses Axel thought he was punk, LA style, but was marketed as late Hair Band. Patti Smith, now considered proto punk, was too shamanistic experimental 2b political and so on. I don’t see Pettibon’s work in the same league w/ Punk since it lacks the working class ‘fuck you, ass wipe’. Like punk, though, I can see it being positioned as more a University-safe caricature of political satire raised or lowered to the level of a different marketing. How would u ever know or judge if the conscious raising effort here ever worked?

Moreover, the Goya effect seems to take over. The 3rd of May, represents peasants being systematically executed by French troops, the docent mentions the Disaster of War series and then earnestly lauds Goya’s masterful design and interesting placement of the lighting source w/in the picture. Plop.

]]> By: joy http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12093 joy Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:32:39 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/#comment-12093 made my day :-) made my day :-)

]]> By: Raymond Pettibon at David Zwirner « Gloss http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12083 Raymond Pettibon at David Zwirner « Gloss Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:58:24 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/#comment-12083 [...] Updated: Read Fuck You, Ray. Here’s YOUR Irony Back (The Really Big Picture) at ArtCal Zine (via AFC) [...] [...] Updated: Read Fuck You, Ray. Here’s YOUR Irony Back (The Really Big Picture) at ArtCal Zine (via AFC) [...]

]]> By: Adda http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12072 Adda Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:14:02 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/#comment-12072 That's so funny, I just read Deborah's piece on The Zine and had the same thought. HOLY SHIT. Its awesome when someone can write so poignantly about art without any pretension and implicitly make such an astounding argument on art's behalf. Loved it. That’s so funny, I just read Deborah’s piece on The Zine and had the same thought. HOLY SHIT. Its awesome when someone can write so poignantly about art without any pretension and implicitly make such an astounding argument on art’s behalf. Loved it.

]]> By: alessandro piana http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12066 alessandro piana Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:20:41 +0000 http://www.artfagcity.com/2007/10/19/via-artcal-zine-fuck-you-ray-heres-your-irony-back/#comment-12066 The correct link for Deborah Fisher's piece is: http://zine.artcal.net/2007/10/ray-pettibon-at-david-zwirner.php The correct link for Deborah Fisher’s piece is: http://zine.artcal.net/2007/10/ray-pettibon-at-david-zwirner.php

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