I think the time line of Internet as presented in your comments is a little inaccurate (social networking for example has been around forever and is no means new), but let’s leave this alone in favor of below:

Et al re: RickRolls

I want this part of the discussion to end. I don’t need the joke explained to me; I get it, I always did. Even if we were going to evaluate the joke on its humor and (God forbid) “greater cultural significance” it would still get a lousy grade because the trick is so easy.

If someone wants to return to the discussion about NN posting techniques and the actual sleepover I’m all ears.

Also as seecoy suggests, you should visit Tom Moody’s blog for more comments on the subject. (see link in c.coy’s post above.)

I think the time line of Internet as presented in your comments is a little inaccurate (social networking for example has been around forever and is no means new), but let’s leave this alone in favor of below:

Et al re: RickRolls

I want this part of the discussion to end. I don’t need the joke explained to me; I get it, I always did. Even if we were going to evaluate the joke on its humor and (God forbid) “greater cultural significance” it would still get a lousy grade because the trick is so easy.

If someone wants to return to the discussion about NN posting techniques and the actual sleepover I’m all ears.

Also as seecoy suggests, you should visit Tom Moody’s blog for more comments on the subject. (see link in c.coy’s post above.)

Seecoy’s Rickroll was well placed, and I think it was not meant to insult anyone or be anti-intellectual.
While the original rickrolls were related to video game previews, the content of Rick Astley dancing to an awesome song has quickly lost its function as a non-sequitor. The humor and game of it lies in the act of the unexpected trick. Successful Rickrolls now require thinking of more innovative ways to roll your friends, better ways to camouflage the delivery, and unused venues of attack. The Rickroll lurks everywhere, and Seecoy’s use here in a more serious forum of discussion might seem rude at first, but studying his form, attention to detail, and timing shows that it is well considered. He knew that we were taking this extra seriously and therefore our expectations had so much farther to fall.

He totally rolled all of us, hard, and I commend him for it.

Here is some more information about how to protect yourself and other from being RickRolld with NARRP (Not A RickRoll, Promise) certification:
http://www.blog.ni9e.com/archives/2007/08/narrp_not_a_ric.html (narrp)

Seecoy’s Rickroll was well placed, and I think it was not meant to insult anyone or be anti-intellectual.
While the original rickrolls were related to video game previews, the content of Rick Astley dancing to an awesome song has quickly lost its function as a non-sequitor. The humor and game of it lies in the act of the unexpected trick. Successful Rickrolls now require thinking of more innovative ways to roll your friends, better ways to camouflage the delivery, and unused venues of attack. The Rickroll lurks everywhere, and Seecoy’s use here in a more serious forum of discussion might seem rude at first, but studying his form, attention to detail, and timing shows that it is well considered. He knew that we were taking this extra seriously and therefore our expectations had so much farther to fall.

He totally rolled all of us, hard, and I commend him for it.

Here is some more information about how to protect yourself and other from being RickRolld with NARRP (Not A RickRoll, Promise) certification:
http://www.blog.ni9e.com/archives/2007/08/narrp_not_a_ric.html (narrp)

The 40-something crowd certainly has the advantage of hindsight and experience of media advancement in general. I’m old enough to remember the advent of the web first as an educational and communication tool, then for entertainment and commercial ventures, and later for socializing and interaction. Most recently, I’ve turned to the net as artistic medium.

With the pervasiveness of internet use in the home, school, and workplace today, I think that up-and-coming surfers won’t experience the nets in the compartmentalized way that I and those older than myself understand it.
I find that youth art movements often lack pretension, due in part to not caring (or not really being aware of) what part they might play in the canon of art history, which allows for the output of unchecked creativity.
My hope is that those growing up now in a net-saturated life will be able to make web artworks that use the medium in unprecedented, absolutely bananas ways that we can’t even imagine, works that somehow “use the whole internet,” as Charles mused during the panel discussion. That is exciting to me.
And if we work hard I think we might just be able to get close to that ourselves.

—–> A Note on Rickrolls

The 40-something crowd certainly has the advantage of hindsight and experience of media advancement in general. I’m old enough to remember the advent of the web first as an educational and communication tool, then for entertainment and commercial ventures, and later for socializing and interaction. Most recently, I’ve turned to the net as artistic medium.

With the pervasiveness of internet use in the home, school, and workplace today, I think that up-and-coming surfers won’t experience the nets in the compartmentalized way that I and those older than myself understand it.
I find that youth art movements often lack pretension, due in part to not caring (or not really being aware of) what part they might play in the canon of art history, which allows for the output of unchecked creativity.
My hope is that those growing up now in a net-saturated life will be able to make web artworks that use the medium in unprecedented, absolutely bananas ways that we can’t even imagine, works that somehow “use the whole internet,” as Charles mused during the panel discussion. That is exciting to me.
And if we work hard I think we might just be able to get close to that ourselves.

—–> A Note on Rickrolls

i thought the sleepover was going to be a big parking lot for all these fly rides. when i got there though, it was like all these fish were out of the water (don’t get me wrong, i fish all the time and fish out of the water are fuckin sweet). so it wasn’t what i expected, but who cares; it was fun and i got to see all these sweet fish irl. if you were looking for more collaboration or intellectual analysis, then get back in the water or on the streets (depending on the metaphor you like better). This thread has had more constructive conversation than i could have ever hoped for from the sleepover.

and i stand by c.coy’s rick roll. truly epic.

i thought the sleepover was going to be a big parking lot for all these fly rides. when i got there though, it was like all these fish were out of the water (don’t get me wrong, i fish all the time and fish out of the water are fuckin sweet). so it wasn’t what i expected, but who cares; it was fun and i got to see all these sweet fish irl. if you were looking for more collaboration or intellectual analysis, then get back in the water or on the streets (depending on the metaphor you like better). This thread has had more constructive conversation than i could have ever hoped for from the sleepover.

and i stand by c.coy’s rick roll. truly epic.